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You will need to find an enlightend doctor to assist you with 'low normal levels'. A sports medico or anti-aging medico would likely be better than an endo or regular GP/MD. I had symptoms of low testosterone for years and and got low readings. I was told I was too young to take TRT (yeah better to take it when you are retired than during the peak years of your life) or that I was low but still just in the normal range (thats fine ..you are with 95% of the male population....no I'm in the bottom 5% of the bell curve) It was only after many years that I had a doc who measured my free T levels that where quite low, who finally did something about it. Make sure your Endo requests 'free testosterone' test. While TRT has not cured pois for me, I definitely feel better for it.As I was lead to believe, the normal ranges one sees on pathology reports are statistically based on the results of past patient blood tests. This would mean the 'normal' range would be skewed on the low side because the majority of T tests would be performed on men who are fatigued & not feeling well and are visiting their doctor and not strapping fit healthy guys who have no need to visit a doctor. If your girlfriend goes to the doctor to request estrogen for birth control, she's out in 5 with a script, but when it comes to testostene...
Martin88I have been using phosphatidylserine and I also have to report disappointment..also just the slightest improvement. I was 50% strength. I had tried it back in the late 90s and noticed a cognitive boost with a different brand that I could get anymore.Fenugreek I tried and was very impressed the first week but its effect faded after that. I have not tried it for quite a while. I would have loved to have gotten an appetite boost. Good luck with your endo.
http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/eleventh/profiles/s139nore.pdf
I'm not sure what this means as to the potential relationship between norethisterone and cancer(no human studies done), but I thought I would post this link to be on the safe side:http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/eleventh/profiles/s139nore.pdf
edit: also not sure how this affects progesterone
about progesterone as dangerous, remember that hundreds of millions of people have been taking it for the last 20 years on a daily basis for birth control and many other things.
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QuoteI'm not sure what this means as to the potential relationship between norethisterone and cancer(no human studies done), but I thought I would post this link to be on the safe side:http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/eleventh/profiles/s139nore.pdfThanks for reposting this link Demo. It's obviously a very important potential risk to be aware of. Dr Dexter reported in his paper that Merck, the manufacturers of the drug, confirmed there were no known harmful side effects of norethisterone in (human) males. In the light of the National Toxicology Program's conclusions that you linked to, one is left wondering about long-term usage and its important to be aware of both reports.(It should also be said that lots and lots of substances have been found to have carcinogenic effects, including many substances found in everyday foodstuffs and even chlorine that is used to treat drinking water. The carcinogenic risk from such substances seems to depend a lot on the concentration of that substance in the body which can accumulate over time with long-term use/ingestion. I don't know how the carcinogenic risk of norethisterone would compare to say a substance found in shampoo or any of a host of other apparently carcinogenic substances we ingest everyday. Tea can have carcinogenic and anti-cancer properties! It's a minefield! I guess it's up to the individual to assess what an acceptable level of risk is but the information available to make that decision seems to be difficult to interpret and sometimes conflicting).Incidentally, if anyone wants an idea of the range of carcinogens we encounter everyday you can start with this google search:http://www.google.com/search?q=carcinogen+everyday+food&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLL_en
Quote from: demografx on 22/02/2010 23:59:24 edit: also not sure how this affects progesteroneFurther to my post above, if norethisterone is a synthetic version of progesterone and is carcinogenic, one might also expect naturally occuring progesterone to be carcinogenic and that does indeed seem to be the case!! (though not necessarily proven in humans)http://www.google.com/search?q=progesterone+carcinogenic&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLL_enProgesterone also has anti-cancer properties!:http://www.google.com/search?q=progesterone+inhibits+cancer&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLL_enWhich just goes to show how careful you need to be when assessing risks of chemicals! This MAY mean that norethisterone is no more carcinogenic than the progesterone produced by a normal body and might even have anti-cancer properties too!
Demo,I'm wondering if you have had your homocystine levels checked?...wondering if B12 might be the root cause...What do you think?...... The symptoms do line up with many of our complaints.
If we look steroid hormones synthesis :We have Demo's succes with testo on the right,Agjchs 's succes with DHEA right side,scientific study succes with progesterone on the left side.But progesterone can be converted to the right side by hydroxyprogesterone/androstenedione pathway if needed (I suppose in Pois).Some of us find stress (cortisol) makes the Pois stronger, and some guys are healed with Relora (less cortisol, more DHEA).