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First Orgasm today (10 minutes ago) = totally relaxed and normal, unlike the 'crazy' feeling i usually get during POIS
I'm very intolerant (I feel depressed, OCD, fatigue) to refined cereals which contain a lot less thiamine (and others) than unrefined. Sometimes when I want to avoid NEs I eat refined cereals and it works, with side effects.
Because we have an ailment which is caused by an unatural balance, perhaps it's a little like Demo says, that he finds it is better to be on the high side with his testosterone.
I have doing some searching on possible people who can help forward reasearch on pois, i found couple. I say since it seems like we are coming to the end of wits with these problem because we don't have the means to do some serious reasearch, we should decide as a group a date when we are going to work together to look for more help.American Federation for Medical ResearchAmerican Society for Clinical Investigation (ASCI)Association for Patient-Oriented Research (APOR) - they seem interesting so i am to going to contact them first.Central Society for Clinical Research (CSCR)
...they seem interesting so i am to going to contact them first.
Hi everyone,I've been following this forum for a long time. I'm 25 and also suffer from POIS. Following ejaculation my mind goes blank for several days, I become badly fatigued, my body feels like it's completely drained of all nervous energy. I turn into a zombie and it usually takes me 7-8 days to recover. I suspect this was caused by excessive masturbation starting at 13 and done excessively for 10 years. Looking back, I probably started to develop POIS around 14 or 15, I started losing my mental concentration around this time and I went from being active and extroverted to becoming anxious, nervous, and absentminded all the time. I also ate lots of junk and processed food, spent most of my time sitting and studying, exercised very little and never slept regularly. Also sat in front of the computer studying for long hours.I have generally stopped ejaculating for two years now in order to heal my body but have seen very little improvement. I've also improved my diet and avoid eating anything unhealthy. Right now I'm taking royal jelly powder and olive leaf extract to treat my condition but haven't seen any effects so far.These days, even when I don't have full blown POIS, I'm still constantly fatigued, especially in the mornings, with daily brain fog, stiff joints, low energy/drive, and a slow mind. When I try to exercise I get fatigued very quickly.Other problems that I have include indigestion/low appetite, constant thirst/urination, chest pains, weakened heart function, hair loss, and other problems. I don't know if they could be related to some thyroid or adrenal disorder that causes POIS.I took some blood tests last year and discovered I had low total testosterone, 407 ng/dl on a scale of 400-1080 ng/dl. Results from two later tests were even lower, 9.056 nmol/L and 9.682 nmol/L (on a scale of 6.07-27.1 nmol/L). Doctors said these levels were all "within normal range" but they look very low to me. Also low were SHBG (19 nmol/L scale 11-80 nmol/L), E2 (68.00 pmol/L scale 73.40-275.25 pmol/L), and my white blood cell count (4.5 x10^3/uL on a scale of 4.8-10.0 x10^3/uL). Prolactin was high (261.59 mIU/L scale 55.97-278.36 mIU/L). TSH was 2.5 uIU/ML (scale 0.35-6.00 uIU/ML) and later 1.780 uIU/ML (scale 0.27-4.2 uIU/ML).This condition has been debilitating, I've wasted a good part of my life because of it, but I'm hoping I can find some answers to cure it. I hope a solution eventually comes to us.
John, since you said garlic can kill bacteria (H pylori) I'm wondering if it can kill good bacterias as well.. I think it's good to take some breaks for all foods.
After reading GC post, I make some search about strawberries.It seems strawberries are the richest in polyphenols, except some exotic fruit. (polyphenols is a particular form of antioxydant).But the amount of polyphenols is not significative (I eat a lot of apple without effect on pois...).A study showed the protective effects of strawberries and blueberries on brain rats after radiation exposure. The protective effect is confirmed on different brain aeras."Strawberries may primarily affect the hippocampus"http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/139/9/1813Sor a ..pdf There is a interesting argument on inflammation.We don't care about radiations but strawberries may have anti-aging proprieties. It was just to see if there are some active enzymes in strawberries.--Goingcrazy, you should continue the epxerience at least 3 or 4 months and give the evolution of symptoms. It's very important for us to have a clear list of symptoms improvement. GC test :Strawberries => 4 lbs (=1.9kg) of organic strawberries ?- improvement on anxiety (GC usually have anxiety starting 10 min after )- depresion ?- brain fog- brain pain = hedaches ?
[to robb23]...Your doctor saying the levels are normal is very wrong and not paying enough attention to your health and symptoms... I had to go through 5 different doctors + 2 top rated Endocrinologists which were supposely hormone specialists but in time found out Endos were more Diabete experts.If you cant find a good enough hormone specialist near you which i had the same problem with then try Dr John Crisler his forum is here http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=2Hes the main guy in the whole US for testosterone restarting or replacement. You can do phone consultation
Quote from: martin88 on 14/04/2010 14:08:27I'm very intolerant (I feel depressed, OCD, fatigue) to refined cereals which contain a lot less thiamine (and others) than unrefined. Sometimes when I want to avoid NEs I eat refined cereals and it works, with side effects.What happens with boxed breakfast type cereals? Those have tons of additives, including the good, thiamine and the bad, sugars, preservatives etc. Do you avoid those cereals? Also, how do vitamin complexes and or combinations work for you? For instance could you not eat regular refined cereals and take vitamin supplements to boost the lack?
Quote from: Dave23 on 14/04/2010 22:56:15[to robb23]...Your doctor saying the levels are normal is very wrong and not paying enough attention to your health and symptoms... I had to go through 5 different doctors + 2 top rated Endocrinologists which were supposely hormone specialists but in time found out Endos were more Diabete experts.If you cant find a good enough hormone specialist near you which i had the same problem with then try Dr John Crisler his forum is here http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=2 [nofollow]Hes the main guy in the whole US for testosterone restarting or replacement. You can do phone consultationNot sure if doc is "wrong", but he's probably conservative. And when POIS is in the picture I agree it's "wrong" from personal experience but if robb's doc is open (to POIS) vs. rigid - to me that's key. It might be worth trying to keep the relationship. I've stated repeatedly here that we, as POIS sufferers with a malady that's not yet fully researched, need to take charge with docs.I have gotten great POIS treatment results and understanding with my top-rated endo. Yes, his division at a major university medical center is diabetes-oriented, but the key here is, again, that he's open to POIS (most docs, as we all know, are not).I know bodybuilders often use alternate medicine, but I would be very concerned with telephone consults. The focus on the patient is missing, in my opinion. It smacks of "factory treatment". And POIS is not a run-of-the-mill malady.Originally I, and many others here, were convinced that hormones and neurotransmitters were the Holy Grail Of POIS. I'm not so sure anymore. TRT is a big part of my cure, but so are low-dose stimulants. And I know the latter gets the "adrenal fatigue" crowd riled. Which is understandable. But it works for me. And I don't recommend it to others, especially if they're having success exploring different avenues, e.g., bilberry extract, which is what this forum is all about.My prolactin was sky-high. My endo did a pituitary MRI, found nothing and moved on. I decided not to follow any "traditional" formula, bodybuiilders' or otherwise, and instead found a simple straightforward answer in....wikipedia, of all places. My sky-high prolactin was caused by Reglan, a nausea medication. I had my endo's blessing, and I went from a count of 90 to 9 (normal!). The idea of neurotransmitters is great, but the tests don't seem all that reliable.Anyway, until we have a clearer understanding of POIS, I'm all for a provable methodology that doesn't necessarily involve hormones and neurotransmitters. But hormone bloodtesting was critical in my case. Other POIS sufferers have done so and have not found the same, which means the answer(s) lie elsewhere.Thank much, Dave, for coming back to report!
[to robb23]...Your doctor saying the levels are normal is very wrong and not paying enough attention to your health and symptoms... I had to go through 5 different doctors + 2 top rated Endocrinologists which were supposely hormone specialists but in time found out Endos were more Diabete experts.If you cant find a good enough hormone specialist near you which i had the same problem with then try Dr John Crisler his forum is here http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=2 [nofollow]Hes the main guy in the whole US for testosterone restarting or replacement. You can do phone consultation
I went to allergist/immunologist and got a list of test done recommend by doctor. They arecd4 count, ebv titer, serum immunoglobins, sed rate, ana and a test for foods allergy. I am excited about this test seems very comprehensive and the nurses had to draw like five tubes of blood and they said i was testing alot. Need that bad news lol.