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I feel like my whole life is being wasted in front of my eyes, and no body in my family knows how much I suffer because of this.
guys I just saw this video on youtube //www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrP8F86Tiq8The video mentions something about brain activity during orgasm, so maybe we have something wrong when it comes to the anxiety part of the brain not being deactivated or something.and guys is it possible to do something similar to the experiment in the video, maybe someone can volunteer or can contact the university in Holland.
Magnesium Deficiency Symptoms Some of the common symptoms of magnesium deficiency include:[27,40,41] Chronic fatigue, weakness and exhaustion Excessive noise and pain sensitivity High blood pressure Headaches Irritability, nervousness, anxiety Depression and apathy Muscle spasms, tics, cramps, tremors (especially of hands, feet, or facial muscles) Difficulty with memory and concentration Insomnia Chronic constipation Chronic excessive muscle tension Confusion and disorientation Anorexia (poor appetite) Emotional instability/overreaction Ataxia (an impaired ability to coordinate movement) Irregular or rapid heartbeat
Mr_CDN,Thanks for this info. I am quite sure I have been down that road before, but I can not recall. Perhaps magnesium supplementation is a good idea to try, the idea fits nicely with my chronic insomnia. Also maybe my POIS back pains (my first POIS symptoms) were due to low magnesium. From this site. [nofollow]QuoteMagnesium Deficiency Symptoms Some of the common symptoms of magnesium deficiency include:[27,40,41] Chronic fatigue, weakness and exhaustion Excessive noise and pain sensitivity High blood pressure Headaches Irritability, nervousness, anxiety Depression and apathy Muscle spasms, tics, cramps, tremors (especially of hands, feet, or facial muscles) Difficulty with memory and concentration Insomnia Chronic constipation Chronic excessive muscle tension Confusion and disorientation Anorexia (poor appetite) Emotional instability/overreaction Ataxia (an impaired ability to coordinate movement) Irregular or rapid heartbeat My diet has improved over the years, could an improvement in magnesium absorption be the reason for my lack of POIS (at times)? Woo-hoo, another supplement to throw money at! []
Quote from: mental on 28/11/2009 13:57:46guys I just saw this video on youtube //www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrP8F86Tiq8The video mentions something about brain activity during orgasm, so maybe we have something wrong when it comes to the anxiety part of the brain not being deactivated or something.and guys is it possible to do something similar to the experiment in the video, maybe someone can volunteer or can contact the university in Holland. Thanks Mental - this is interesting. First the scientist will want to understand what a "normal" orgasm represents. Then they might want to look at the "not-normal" orgasm. It is nice to see people researching this topic with modern tools. The part that really interested me though is the part where you see people getting ready to jump off the cliff. It got my attention because the few times I did para-sailing I had a POIS like episode afterward! Same kind of symptoms. First the excitement and euphoria followed by several days of fatigue, mind fog, anxiety, feeling depleted, etc. Same pattern - not as strong as with an orgasm but same pattern. It happens with any big stress for me - whether it is a positive fun stress like parasailing or a tragic incident. Similar hormonal response. So to me that says it is clearly a neurotransmitters disorder. At least for my POIS. And I will look at healing strategies with this conclusion in mind.
Wow! Wonderful, Z_one! 3!!! []QuoteThx for the laughters... But Iam still going to see three endos and three immunos and will let you know how it goes... []Quote from: demografx on 23/11/2009 19:22:52May I suggest something? It helped me a lot when meeting and establishing credibility with a top endocrinologist, who I am now working with:For medical credibility, show the original POIS paper written by Dr Waldinger, (MD) and importantly, his co-author, Dr Dave Schweitzer, who is an endocrinologist(!)I think it's difficult for an endocrinologist to outright dismiss another endocrinologist!I can only email you a copy of it, PDF's don't attach to PM's here at the forum.At least, here is an Abstracthttp://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13719471With all respect to Dr. Waldinger which I personally have no doubt about, that doesn't refrain me from seeking other venues especially that there is no definite cure yet! Besides,,,,a top doctor is always relative to each and every case and patient...while doctors from various backgrounds often dismiss each others, which is why there are always various contradicting theories with regard to various diseases !Plz go ahead and send me his PDF letter...I will PM you my email.....Thx,
Thx for the laughters... But Iam still going to see three endos and three immunos and will let you know how it goes... []Quote from: demografx on 23/11/2009 19:22:52May I suggest something? It helped me a lot when meeting and establishing credibility with a top endocrinologist, who I am now working with:For medical credibility, show the original POIS paper written by Dr Waldinger, (MD) and importantly, his co-author, Dr Dave Schweitzer, who is an endocrinologist(!)I think it's difficult for an endocrinologist to outright dismiss another endocrinologist!I can only email you a copy of it, PDF's don't attach to PM's here at the forum.At least, here is an Abstracthttp://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13719471With all respect to Dr. Waldinger which I personally have no doubt about, that doesn't refrain me from seeking other venues especially that there is no definite cure yet! Besides,,,,a top doctor is always relative to each and every case and patient...while doctors from various backgrounds often dismiss each others, which is why there are always various contradicting theories with regard to various diseases !Plz go ahead and send me his PDF letter...I will PM you my email.....Thx,
May I suggest something? It helped me a lot when meeting and establishing credibility with a top endocrinologist, who I am now working with:For medical credibility, show the original POIS paper written by Dr Waldinger, (MD) and importantly, his co-author, Dr Dave Schweitzer, who is an endocrinologist(!)I think it's difficult for an endocrinologist to outright dismiss another endocrinologist!I can only email you a copy of it, PDF's don't attach to PM's here at the forum.At least, here is an Abstracthttp://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13719471
Quote from: Z_one on 23/11/2009 13:31:38I am going to see three endos in a row this week..in an aim to put an end to this misery....Cant wait to see what you find. Good luck
I am going to see three endos in a row this week..in an aim to put an end to this misery....
Quote from: Z_one on 31/10/2009 13:40:13Could POIS simply be a severe symptom of Adrenal exhaustion or adrenal disease rather than being a disease itself? Some causes of adrenal disorders are Cushing's syndrome, hypothalamic disorders, pituitary gland disorders, pheochromocytoma and benign and cancerous adrenal tumours.The reason why Iam thinking of that is because sexual exhaustion and adrenal fatigue are suppose to be very much interrelated ...and with very common symptoms....Also last month I totally abstained for 3 weeks in a row...after which I noticed that POIS was 90% cured after the first time....When my sexual activity resumed and increased in frequency ( Four times and above within the fourth week)...POIS was back....I guess it was an false early Hurray....but apparently with a pause, my overall body & metabolism have dramaticaly improved....By the way, I had done a complete blood test including Hormonal & Immune system check three weeks ago,,,both my Endo & Generalist doctors think that all test are normal,,,,which only makes me shift again my focus to the adrenal fatigue theory,,,since apparently unless adrenal fatigue is severe..it is hard to detect with routine tests....On the other hand, I am also considering a hypothalamus/pituitary gland disorder which only gets manifested during release of sexual hormones....I am still inquiring & researching with regard to that,,,,B_Jim sorry for not replying to ur PM earlier...I was inactive for a while...as to answer u..my symptoms are similar to everybody else but without the flu symptoms ( I thankfully never got those). Therefore I beleive those who have flu symptoms are more or less dealing with an auto-immune disorder such as Addison disease or others...My symptoms are mainly:1- Excessive fatigue (Impossible to wake up early the next day!)2- Fast heart palpitations3- Weight & muscle loss4- Eating disorder/ Cravings. 5- Brain fog6- All senses get confused. 7- Low blood pressure. 8- Anti-social mood. If I would to put a title I would choose: " The 72hrs body crash!" Hope this helps.....Also with regard to Black seed oil or Nigella Sativa..it personally helps me alot....it is a general tonic and cure all for the body and works well with Ginseng and Tribulus....In addition, at a certain stage , Maca worked like magic for me,,,somehow after 2 weeks of use it appears to have completely lost its effectiveness...like a reverse effect or something from overuse....Tribulus & Ginseng has proven the most effective for me, while Fenugreek, Zinc & Garlic were useless....I still have not tried Relora nor Rhodiola.....ordered them from the US. Hope this helps....Peace. Wishing you the best on your success with Rhodiola . . . I've had some great results using a US-brand of Rhodiola (Mind Body & Spirit). I combine it with an adaptogens blend called ENERGY RESERVES, which works great to supplement the Rhodiola.
Could POIS simply be a severe symptom of Adrenal exhaustion or adrenal disease rather than being a disease itself? Some causes of adrenal disorders are Cushing's syndrome, hypothalamic disorders, pituitary gland disorders, pheochromocytoma and benign and cancerous adrenal tumours.The reason why Iam thinking of that is because sexual exhaustion and adrenal fatigue are suppose to be very much interrelated ...and with very common symptoms....Also last month I totally abstained for 3 weeks in a row...after which I noticed that POIS was 90% cured after the first time....When my sexual activity resumed and increased in frequency ( Four times and above within the fourth week)...POIS was back....I guess it was an false early Hurray....but apparently with a pause, my overall body & metabolism have dramaticaly improved....By the way, I had done a complete blood test including Hormonal & Immune system check three weeks ago,,,both my Endo & Generalist doctors think that all test are normal,,,,which only makes me shift again my focus to the adrenal fatigue theory,,,since apparently unless adrenal fatigue is severe..it is hard to detect with routine tests....On the other hand, I am also considering a hypothalamus/pituitary gland disorder which only gets manifested during release of sexual hormones....I am still inquiring & researching with regard to that,,,,B_Jim sorry for not replying to ur PM earlier...I was inactive for a while...as to answer u..my symptoms are similar to everybody else but without the flu symptoms ( I thankfully never got those). Therefore I beleive those who have flu symptoms are more or less dealing with an auto-immune disorder such as Addison disease or others...My symptoms are mainly:1- Excessive fatigue (Impossible to wake up early the next day!)2- Fast heart palpitations3- Weight & muscle loss4- Eating disorder/ Cravings. 5- Brain fog6- All senses get confused. 7- Low blood pressure. 8- Anti-social mood. If I would to put a title I would choose: " The 72hrs body crash!" Hope this helps.....Also with regard to Black seed oil or Nigella Sativa..it personally helps me alot....it is a general tonic and cure all for the body and works well with Ginseng and Tribulus....In addition, at a certain stage , Maca worked like magic for me,,,somehow after 2 weeks of use it appears to have completely lost its effectiveness...like a reverse effect or something from overuse....Tribulus & Ginseng has proven the most effective for me, while Fenugreek, Zinc & Garlic were useless....I still have not tried Relora nor Rhodiola.....ordered them from the US. Hope this helps....Peace.
Quote from: PRZ on 25/11/2009 03:53:00Demografx, I'm quite suprised with your results of this practice. Did you really achieve orgasm without ejaculation? That was the promise, and it certainly looked like one without the other (it was "dry"), but it turned out to simply be a fluid diversion to the bladder. I used Mantak Chia's method on Page 120:http://www.scribd.com/doc/2656200/Mantak-Chia-Taoist-Secrets-Of-Love-Cultivating-the-Male-Sexual-EnergyQuote from: PRZ on 25/11/2009 03:53:00Demografx, let me know if I can write more details on how to begin the process and how I did it step by step. Please do. Your second post was reassuring. Thank you.
Demografx, I'm quite suprised with your results of this practice. Did you really achieve orgasm without ejaculation?
Demografx, let me know if I can write more details on how to begin the process and how I did it step by step.
Quote from: demografx on 24/11/2009 20:38:21Quote from: JonJen99 on 24/11/2009 17:42:56I've had some great results using a US-brand of Rhodiola (Mind Body & Spirit). I combine it with an adaptogens blend called ENERGY RESERVES, which works great to supplement the Rhodiola.JonJen, congrats! Can you please tell us more about how Rhodiola affected your POIS? (Before and after would be nice)Before: my POIS actually made me afraid to have sex. I didn't want what would happen afterwards. I became an expert in the intercourse part, and always faked (yes, I am sure others do this) the orgasm part and put it away without actually having the joy of it. I tried Rhodiola and some other herbs before, with no result. Then, I changed brands and bought something more expensive that I had read about. Ten days or two weeks later I went "all the way" and found that I wasn't getting the same POIS reactions afterwards. I was actually recovering in an hour or two. While I still have some very big issues to work out, I am more confident now as well. And I believe that the herb has also increased my desire. I thought that was a bad side effect at first, but with diminished POIS, desire is not a bad thing.
Quote from: JonJen99 on 24/11/2009 17:42:56I've had some great results using a US-brand of Rhodiola (Mind Body & Spirit). I combine it with an adaptogens blend called ENERGY RESERVES, which works great to supplement the Rhodiola.JonJen, congrats! Can you please tell us more about how Rhodiola affected your POIS? (Before and after would be nice)
I've had some great results using a US-brand of Rhodiola (Mind Body & Spirit). I combine it with an adaptogens blend called ENERGY RESERVES, which works great to supplement the Rhodiola.
Magnesium TheoryHello everyone - I'd like to share some observations and a theory regarding the cause (and possible treatment) for POIS. Having read through a zillion pages of this thread, I noticed many connected items that could provide some insight.1) John21's solution involved eliminating milk products, which of course are sources of abundant calcium. Calcium burns through magnesium (it's required to process the calcium), to the point where one can be loaded with calcium and still face calcium deficiency.2) Demografx's solution may in fact be twofold. His testosterone patches seemed to seal the deal, and magnesium is directly related with T-levels in the blood. Additionally, Adderall and other amphetamines raise Mg serum levels, and interestingly, Mg supplementation supposedly decreases amph. tolerance - likely not due to the medication, but because the amph. is masking the original deficiency. 3) There are common themes among many of the members here - depression, anxiety, attention deficit disorders, and especially premature ejaculation, the latter of which is a distinct indication of magnesium deficiency. There are many papers floating around that attach the other symptoms to lackluster Mg levels as well.4) Neurotransmitters require Mg for the production and regulation. More interesting is that in a test with male rats and hypertension, high doses of Mg not only relieved the hypertension, but caused a surge of dopamine at the top of the brain stem - precisely where male dopamine release stems from according to the video posted by mental.5) At least two posters I've come across here (and whose names elude me) reported improvement of POIS symptoms with Mg supplementation. One went on to say it worked in his youth, but not now. Mineral absorption decreases with age - perhaps the type of Mg and dosage have large impacts on replenishment. 6) A female poster, whose name also eludes me, reported that she took an Advil before and an antacid after and experienced relief. One can guess what one of the primary ingredients of antacids are due to its alkalizing effect - magnesium.7) Histamine production raises in the absence of purposefully Mg-starved rats. Mg regulates unnatural neurotransmitter production in the brain center of rats due to oxygen starvation. 9) Mg regulates blood sugar levels - the more sugar one eats, the more Mg is likely burnt through such regulation.10) Mg is burnt through stress and any sort of activity, especially strenuous activity.11) Every POIS symptom - every single one - could be lined up with an Mg-deficiency symptom list.
All POIS casesA] TNS Forum : (colors : improvement in orange healed in red )Note : sometimes the indicated page has changed, please look the next or previous page. 1/ John21 (p1) Improvement with Garlic ! (p42-p47)2/ Bjim (p1) 60-70% better Diet to reduce flulike symptoms (p45) theory DHEA/Cortisol => derealisation (p33) Dopamine sumary and DHEA/IL-6 (p163)3/ Demografx (p1) >90% healed with combination of Levitra and Testosterone patch (p1) Demografx talk about "small adrenal glands" (p29) A physical problem on adrenals or HPA axis is possible 4/ Cox (p1)5/ Mellirova (p1)great article : http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowAbstract&ArtikelNr=99840&Ausgabe=232878&ProduktNr=2238646/ Bobsie (p2)7/ TracyST (p2)8/ JPLewin (p2)9/ Nathan (p3)10/ Dave23 (p4) Healed with his complex protocol (testosterone, Relora...) (p16)11/ Imre1 (p6) 100% Healed with betablocker12/ ChrisB (p6)13/ Agjchs (p8) 100% Healed with 12.g mg of DHEA after orgasm (p8)14/ Antman (p9)15/ Gonzo (p10)16/ Porke (p10) Limited improvement and talk about heavy metals (p29) Good improvement with Fenugreek (p88)17/ Bizzy (p10)18/ Wowsawow (p10)19/ E.J. (p11)20/ Ultraka (p11)21/Guthrie (p11) Guthrie has vitamin-D deficiency (p188). He's starting supplement .22/ Tate (p12)23/ Interested's boy friend (p12)24/ El Stonio (p12) Improvment with zinc (p36)25/ Ender (p13)26/ Jo58 (p13)27/ Nobody007 (p14)28/ HK1979 (p15)29/ Wikkid (p16) Very light case. 30/ Bosseflambe's boyfriend (p16)31/ Living 30 (p16)32/ Solution (p17)33/ Sokovan (p17)34/ Fiddlerpaul (p17)35/ Pdawg (p19) Light36/ Nopoison (p19)37/ Cdma77 (p19)38/ Pyropeach (p20)39/ Netherlands2008 (p20)40/ Curtis19786 (p22)41/ Deloun (p22) Deloun great post on catecholamines (p146)42/ Uh-clem (p23)43/ Rapidgaming (p23)44/ Jerobam (p24)45/ Girlwind (p25). Great Video on youtube (What is POIS ?). Improvement with 'adrenal fatigue' supplement (p47) [7Keto Dhea, Maca, Siberian Giseng, B5, B100, Fish Oil, Transdermal magnesium, Triptophan] + (p55) Thyroid supplement? (p63) : Girlwind improvement CFS/POIS with seaweeds.46/ Geo (p26)47/ Counterpoints (p26)48/ Rock27 (p28) Rock27 has low testosterone level Day 3 (p173)49/ Jamie_wood888 (p28)50/ Martin88 (p31)_ Martin and Finally talk about Guaiafesin and its effect on ATP for fibromyalgia. (P 109)51/ Sparx (p33)52/ Michael8028 (p34) Intersting posts about ATP and sexual neurasthenia (1800's) (p42)* Healed with treatment (hormones, supplements)53/ Yukka (p40-41) (2 Interesting posts about hormones after masturbation)54/ Cookie87 (p42)55/ Bola-bola (p42)56/ ollecrev (p43)57/ Coreman (p44) Improvement with protocol . Alpha 20C quickly heals his brainfog, mood, and physical strenght ( p110 ) IMMUNITY58/ Nick_B_85 (p45)59/ goodoleboy55 (p45)60/ Longwalkhome (p46)61/ Questforlife (p48)62/ prosodye (p48) 63/ Animus (p49)64/ Finally (p51) Little succes with enzymes + ...65/ Aloha (p51)66/ William (p53)67/ Stilkus (p53)68/ CCconfucius (p54)69/ DigitalMac (p54)70/ Hurray (p55) Possible improvement with oxytocin (fenugreek)(p71) Hurray talk about fenugreek and effect on sociability (p75)71/ tacabrighe (p57)72/ Chewbacca (p69)73/ Whoaa (p71) Levitra succes Testosterone optimization and diet/sport(p167) 74/ Tarkington (p62) Healed with Relora* (cortisol regulation)(p72)75/ Shahnameh (p73) Succes with Fenugreek76/ Reater (p74) Diet77/ Limejuice (p74) Pray, exercice, fish oil Healed with Phosphatidylserine (p152)78/ Andreas_F (p88) 79/ Laroux's girlfriend (p92) Healed with 1/2 teaspoon of celtic salt (non-iodized) after orgasm. Interesting theory of hyponatrenia80/ Gement (p93)81/ Underwater (p99) Anti-histamine seem to block the allergic symptoms just after orgasm (P170). 82/ Phasian (p100)83/ MattJ (p56)84/ Davep007 (p103)85/ SteveD (p106)86/ Jasmine07 (p121)87/ SickLifeSaver (p127)88/ Pro (p127) Good description of mental confusion89/ Fellow sufferer (p127)90/ Richargear (p130)91/ Londonchap (p133)92/ Jack D (p134)93/ mister_z (p135)94/ goingcrazy (p140)95/ Jiddu5 (p139)96/ Rob58 (p143)97/ Pantaloon (p174) Demo accidentaly deletes his post 98/ Nsf (p150)99/ Jidmiddleton (p150)100/ Ambient123 (p152) (L-Tyrosine improvement p163) Very good improvement with 5HTP (p188)101/ Neverstop (p159) (L-Tyrosine)102/ Defsync (p160) "chemo-brain" p137103/ Aaronchi (p161)104/ Staystrong (p168)105/ Welness (p169)106/ nTonic (p170)107/ EDS (p171) => EDS lab test show a normal cortisol level and a low cortisol level 24 hours later (after ejaculation). + hypotestosteronemia. (=> P 210)108/ ajs (p174)109/ POIS-SUFFERER (p174)110/ Deniseamonalisa (p175)111/ RhythmSpring (p177) RythmSpring has Pois AND lyme disease. He's currently following antibiotic treatment for lyme. We'll see if antibiotics and meds for lyme have an effect on his Pois symptoms. (p228)112/ antimorbit (p178)113/ Dean93 (p181)114/ zaaria (p182)115/ Jdubs (p183)116/ Pronobis (p185)117/ Botbot (p190)118/ beyondfrustrated (p191)119/ David_S (p192)120/ Langjahr (p198)121/ NakedDynamo (p198)122/ Chipdouglas (p202)123/ daisi_sufferer (p203)124/ Claret88 (P206)125/ Green (p207)126/ mat780 (p214)127/ helpimsad (p217)128/ Danny_Boy (p217) Copper toxicity theory_ "chelation" with molybdium and other minerals129/ THISFORUMROCKS! (p217)130/ lauracostis (p220)131/ Bill12 (p220)132/ johnl3 (p220)133/ sclover49 (p221)134/ tazdas (p222)135/ JonJen99 (p223)136/ Pois_is_hell (p226)137/ CrazyFox (p227)138/ Wooder (p227)139/ Tom2009 (p230)140/ Pauliebaby61 (p235)141/ Taz (p236)142/ Z_One (P236) symptoms (p252) + help with Black seed oil or Nigella Sativa.143/ Itsmebutwho? (p236)144/ devastated (p238)145/ bruxe (p245)146/ Looking_for_answer (p246)147/ ophicus1213 (p248)148/ Pablo445 (p254)149/ exponent (p257)150/ tazzy (p258) RELORA151/ Holden F. Anmar-Dey (p261)152/ PRZ (p261)153/ europe (p261)154/ greg44 (p262)155/ Mental (p262)156/ Mr_Canadian (p263) Magnesium To be continued Send me a private message if i forgot something or if you want to add an important post.Quote* Relora is a phytotherapy supplement with Magnolia and Phellodendron.It is supposed to regulate cortisol and balance steroid (DHEA). The scientific value of this supplement seems to be proved by a study. 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* Relora is a phytotherapy supplement with Magnolia and Phellodendron.It is supposed to regulate cortisol and balance steroid (DHEA). The scientific value of this supplement seems to be proved by a study.