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« on: 24/12/2007 16:37:16 »
Concerning the Nature of What is Real?

What is real, is it somthing tangible?  As a person of reason I rule no theory out, I only question a proposed theory until it proves itself invalid.  So to the question at hand what is real?  First we must define real. 

Real:  actually existing or occuring, genuine, worthy of the description.

A scientist might say that something real is something that can be measured, observed, and predictable to repeat itself under similar conditions.  Though this method is reliable with in the context it is used.  Can it be what is real? 

  If we were to look deeper into the matter of science we could come to certain conclusions verified by science itself.  Science is defined as, the study or knowledge of the physical or natural world based on observation and experiment.  So we can conclude that science is the knowledge of the physical world, which itself is temporary.  Science is the study of a temporary state of matter.  An ever changing set of conditions that interact at the atomic level.  Forms, like planets, are always changing and shifting.  So science is the knowledge of a temporary state of matter and condition.  Yet it is real in the sense that it is occuring and therefore exsisting, but not permanent. 

  So what is real in the sense that it is permanent?  Is conciouseness permanent.  Do thoughts or feelings exist?  Is the testimony of your experience somthing real?  For example if you were to be stabbed by a knife, we would observe a couple of things.  One, there would be a chemical reaction of hormones in the body that would trigger the body into a different state of survival.  Two, the person or operator of the body would experience this pain.  Now what is real the chemical measurable reaction or the experience of the trauma by the operator of the body?  As an operator of a body I would imagine that the experience would be real to me.  At the same time I could not call it real because the experience is immeasurable to science and therefore does not really exist.  In another example the feeling of love.  Love can be felt and at the same time cant be measured.  Does this mean that Love is not real?  Would there be anyway for you to prove Love? 

We must examine Love.  Love is deep intense affection. 

  All of us as human being can identify with Love because we all have experienced it.  We all love someone, it may be your family or friends, but we all understand love.  So this being said is the experience you are having real?  I can only speak for myself when I profess Love because I personally feel it.  Yet I wonder if it's real, my experience? 

In the current state of consiousness that we as a civilization are at, my experience would not be considered real.  Science dominates and is the philosophy that we live by today.  So in today's world the gathered perception is that our gathered perceptions are not real.  We've convinced ourselves that we are only a set of chemical reactions and the experience is just a preset set of reactions to a particular condition.  Speaking from my experience as a human being on this planet I tend to see things a little different than the current trend.  I see the body as a sort of suit that me the operator masters and controls.  I see my experience as limited to the things im able to sense, or percieve, with the limited sensory organs this particular suit is equipped with.  My consiousness is the thought developed by the reaction to various inputs that I pick up through my senses.  My inspiration or spirit is divine.  The divine source of all things alive is the best I could describe as what I believe God is.  When we hear that the spirit is infinate than it must be the only thing that is truly real.  If there is no spirit there is no experience.  If there is no one there to question what is real than can there be a real?

Just a thought, if anyone reads this enlighten me on your percepective.


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« Reply #1 on: 24/12/2007 16:43:59 »
the zeros on my credit card bill are real, no matter how hard i try and believe they are not.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 25/12/2007 11:15:34 »
Now according the thoght of physicists
in thermodinamics, in SRT, in QT,.....etc
... only mathematic point is real object.
I dont know, why do you search for another aim?
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« Reply #3 on: 25/12/2007 14:35:26 »
Physiological and psychological processes and experiences such as emotions and conscious thought CAN be and HAVE been and ARE being measured and studied and explained scientifically. A brief Google search will show you this. Therefore, the argument you present on this subject is void.

Regarding the temporality of reality and our understanding of it: The great thing about science is that it can always be relied upon to examine reality as it happens from instant to instant. Just because the universe is not static does not mean it is not real, because the reality of each fraction of time can be studied live. Observations and explanations of reality which were made in the past remain valid because they have been subject to copious amounts of verification over time, and have been determined to accurately represent natural phenomena. As a result, predictions can be made that what was documented in the past will remain constant in the future. Often, these predictions are accurate, but when they are not, modifications are made to our understanding of reality. Science is not static either.

It is extremely illogical to believe that a divine entity is necessary to mediate personal experiences or to allow questioning of what is real. The best tools available to our species for studying reality are those used by science. The science is steadily showing us that there is no need for a supernatural being to exist, in order for emotions, cognition, perception, and the rest of the vast universe, to be successfully and thoroughly explained. The scientific analyses of the universe are far, far more accurate when a divine entity is not evoked. God is not an explanation at all. The arguments supporting belief in God: that it's too difficult to imagine any natural explanations for complex and "spiritual" things like emotions, consciousness, perception and understanding of reality, and that the supposed permanence of god is enough to verify its existence (despite the absence of a single shred of any evidence for any aspect of any divine entity), are invalid.

I sincerely hope that you will do some reading about brain science and about science and the scientific methods in general. Science is the poetry of reality, as Richard Dawkins has rightly said.  :)



 

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« Reply #4 on: 01/02/2008 07:26:58 »
Y QUESTION THE MIND OF OTHERS IN FOURTH USING DEFINITIONS OF ANOTHER. LET LIFE BE WHAT YOU EXPECT IT TO BE AND NOT WITH IN THE FENCES OF YOUR ASPECTS. U COME AS ARROGANT, IN THE WORLD OF TRUTHFULL LIES. DO NOT DEFINE LOVE, FOR LOVE IS DESCRIBED DIFFERENTLY AND INFINITLEY DIFFERENT BY OTHERS. ASHES TO ASHES AND DUST TO DUST YET ARE YOU? DUST OR ASHES THE MOLECULAR STRUCTURE IS OBSCURE IN ALL THINGS AND VIBRATIONS ARE ALL IN DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES. I HEAR YOUR FREQUENCIES BUT THE TONE OR DECIBLE IS QUITE ARROGANT. WHEN YOU ARE EDUCATED THAN YOU LEARN TO CONTROL THESE FACTORS OF FREQUENCIES PER PERSONA. YOU MAY BLOW ONE LEAF IN YOUR STORM BUT AN EDUCATED PERSON BLOWS BUILDINGS AND TREES OVER. LEARN FRIEND, LEARN THE CONTROL,SKILL AND YOU MAY FOOL THE EDUCATED. BUT YOU WILL NOT FOOL THE EXPERIENCED. TRUTH IS NOT SPELLED HTRTU. THE COLORS OF LIGHT IS CONSOLIDATED IN BRIGHTNESS THAT WE ALL SEE, THE SUN. YET WHEN BLINDED BY THE CLEAR PYRAMID THE TRUTH PREVAILS. THE VIVID RAINBOW ENTAILS. HIDDEN BY THE ARROGANCE OF TONE. 

BY READING YOUR SO CALLED DEFINITIONS I PERSONIFY YOU AS UNDEFINED, I SEE THE HATE YOU HAVE AND THE JELOUSY AS A STAG. ONLY YOU KNOW THE TRUTHS TO THOSE WORDS. YOU WERE LEFT TO WANDER THE MIND FOR LOVE WAS IN YOUR JELOUSY UNDEFINED. AS I BREAK YOU DOWN YOU WILL REST AND YOUR LEAVES WILL ONCE AGAIN BE NOURISHED BY THE NOURISHING LIGHT. THE CHLOROPHIL WILL AGAIN BREATH GREEN OF PURITY. YET YOUR ROOTS LACK AND IS YOUR WORST ENEMY AMONGST THE EDUCATED AND THE DEEPLY ROOTED

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

KNOW YOUR BEGGINING BROTHER AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND YOUR PURPOSE. WHEN YOU GIVE THE BEGGINING FOR YOUR CHILD YOU WILL NOT TASTE DEATH BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUND THE BEGGINING. YET IF YOU HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR BEGGINING THAN THE ROOTS OF YOUR CHILD WILL BE SHALLOW.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 01/02/2008 08:18:34 »

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

KNOW YOUR BEGGINING BROTHER AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND YOUR PURPOSE. WHEN YOU GIVE THE BEGGINING FOR YOUR CHILD YOU WILL NOT TASTE DEATH BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUND THE BEGGINING. YET IF YOU HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR BEGGINING THAN THE ROOTS OF YOUR CHILD WILL BE SHALLOW.
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« Reply #6 on: 01/02/2008 22:28:03 »
If Jesus the answer,what is the question?

Oh, it's just like jeapordy.
My answer is, Name a Beatles song that was poorly translated in to spanish..

Jesus don't make it bad.
Take a sad song and make it better.
Remember to let her into your heart,
Then you can start to make it better.

Or maybe, it's what people shout when reading posts in damn capitals
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« Reply #7 on: 02/02/2008 04:13:25 »
eternal reality is the "I AM"
 

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