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K as i said before i am a novice but i see something, brain waves they are said to be the same speed as gravitons. could this have an effect on the observation of the double slit experiment and why the out come is the way that it is?
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The double-slit experiment used photons (light particles), not gravitons(gravity particles). Gravitons aren't even known to exist yet. From what I know about nerve signals, they travel much, much slower than the speed of light. I don't see why that would have an effect on the experiment's outcome.
 

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yeh i do know that they used photons and that gravitons are a hypothetical particle how ever i hear that gravitons travel at the speed of thoughts and there is no evidence to suggest that thoughts cant travel out side of the body as well there is more evidence to suggest that thoughts can travel outside of the body in some way through some means.

there is still a question here of the double slit experiment and how and why the results are the way they are correct?
 

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I don't know where you got your information from, but contemporary physics holds that gravitons are supposed to travel at the speed of light, not the speed of thought.
 

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I don't know where you got your information from, but contemporary physics holds that gravitons are supposed to travel at the speed of light, not the speed of thought.

How can a graviton being a closed loop be the speed of light as the speed of light is confined to the universe and a graviton not confined to any dimension at all?
 

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We don't know if gravitons are confined or not confined because we don't even know if they exist yet. Typically, particles with a zero rest mass travel at the speed of light. Particles with a non-zero rest mass travel slower than the speed of light. Hence, the massless graviton is predicted to travel at the speed of light. The average nerve conduction velocity is only a little over 100 miles per hour. Gravitons must travel far quicker than this if they are massless. If they have mass, then physics would have to be greatly revised to incorporate that.
 

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The double slit experiment works because light has the properties of waves.

The two slits let allow the waves to interfere with each other which is why it works the way it works.  Now, how long it takes you to understand that principle is the speed of thought, which doesn't have anything to do with the light waves interfering with each other.

Two slits == two sources for light waves on the dark(er) side of the project.  The two sources of waves running the same patter cause the interference (the waves run into each other and interfere with each-other).

Don't know what happens when the light above your head ignites as you understand it, then I could see he speed of thought somehow affecting the experiment.  I found "The Mechanical Universe and Beyond" (PBS series) most informative on this subject.

newbielink:http://thepiratebay.org/search/mechanical,universe,and,beyond/0/99/0 [nonactive]
 

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We don't know if gravitons are confined or not confined because we don't even know if they exist yet. Typically, particles with a zero rest mass travel at the speed of light. Particles with a non-zero rest mass travel slower than the speed of light. Hence, the massless graviton is predicted to travel at the speed of light. The average nerve conduction velocity is only a little over 100 miles per hour. Gravitons must travel far quicker than this if they are massless. If they have mass, then physics would have to be greatly revised to incorporate that.

The speed of light is confined to our universe which if i am correct is a vacuum? so if  a closed loop graviton can leave the universe into the 11th dimension and also into other multi verses and back etc etc that would mean it could travel faster than the speed of light yes? as the speed of light is confined to a universes boundaries where as the graviton is not? 
 

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The double slit experiment works because light has the properties of waves.

The two slits let allow the waves to interfere with each other which is why it works the way it works.  Now, how long it takes you to understand that principle is the speed of thought, which doesn't have anything to do with the light waves interfering with each other.

Two slits == two sources for light waves on the dark(er) side of the project.  The two sources of waves running the same patter cause the interference (the waves run into each other and interfere with each-other).

Don't know what happens when the light above your head ignites as you understand it, then I could see he speed of thought somehow affecting the experiment.  I found "The Mechanical Universe and Beyond" (PBS series) most informative on this subject.

newbielink:http://thepiratebay.org/search/mechanical,universe,and,beyond/0/99/0 [nonactive]

Yes well i do actually understand it thanks for the sarcasm there most informative (not)


as i understand it on the quantum (small level!) you watch the experiment and the rests are effect other then if you do not observe so hence my question of may the thoughts are carried via a graviton or the graviton in there some how effects the experiment from the intention of the person/s doing the experiment and their intentions of watching the outcome etc etc etc and so on and so forth.

newbielink:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc [nonactive]

newbielink:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT7xJ0tjB4A&feature=related [nonactive]

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There's no evidence that thoughts are carried in the brain by gravitons. If our brain generated gravitons in one of its parts, it would have to be able to detect those same gravitons in the part that received them. For something with as little mass as our brain, any gravitons it could generate would be very, very weak and thus very, very hard to detect. The fact that we haven't been able to detect gravitons from much more massive interstellar phenomena, even with very sensitive equipment, should be a testament as to how weak gravitons are. In short, there is no way that the brain could carry information inside if itself in the form of gravitons.

As for the speed of light being confined within our universe; we don't know that. For all we know, the speed of light might be the same in all possible dimensions.
 

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There's no evidence that thoughts are carried in the brain by gravitons. If our brain generated gravitons in one of its parts, it would have to be able to detect those same gravitons in the part that received them. For something with as little mass as our brain, any gravitons it could generate would be very, very weak and thus very, very hard to detect. The fact that we haven't been able to detect gravitons from much more massive interstellar phenomena, even with very sensitive equipment, should be a testament as to how weak gravitons are. In short, there is no way that the brain could carry information inside if itself in the form of gravitons.

As for the speed of light being confined within our universe; we don't know that. For all we know, the speed of light might be the same in all possible dimensions.

What meant is that could brain waves be carried by gravitons or some way interact with them to effect the out come of observing on the quantum level the double slit experiment?

Also there maybe no evidence that the speed of light is different in any dimension but for the fact that it can not escape through our universe into the 11th dimension as gravitons are suppose to be able to do then that would tell us that light does not exist in the 11th dimension is that right?
 

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There's no reason to believe brain waves and gravitons are connected.  There's no need to use gravitons to explain the double slit experiment.  Therefore, there's no reason to connect brain waves and the double slit experiment. 

Now, there are some people who argue that consciousness is required in order to "observe" something.  Since we really can't do an experiment to test this (by definition, we always have to observe things to do experiments), it's a point of philosophy at the moment, rather than science.  BUT there's lots of evidence that indicates that even if consciousness is required, it doesn't influence the randomness of the observation: you can't control quantum events with your mind, in other words.

As to light, I think the thinking is that it exists in all 10-dimensional dimensions.  It just can't move along the direction of the 11th dimension.  It's like a bunch of plates stacked on top of each other.  Light can travel on each plate, but it can't jump from one to the other.  Gravity can travel on each plate and jump from one to the other (if the theory is right).
 

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