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« Reply #25 on: 14/06/2008 13:12:09 »
You make some fair comments and I agree about the place of speculation.  However, when people jump in with both feet and hold forth about topics with little or no knowledge or logic, it is not surprising when someone raises objections.

Quite and any student watching will read them.

Science is, essentially, a humble discipline. A good Scientist is prepared to learn first. After some time a good scientist may be able able to justify an opinion.
Who would expect to play in a Premiership Football Match? We all accept limitations in some directions. Why not in Science. That doesn't mean that we can't enjoy finding stuff out. It is wise to take care before launching into b/s mode.

I hope you understand:

You are completely correct, I apologise irrevocable. It was silly of me to have even considered for one moment, that I could compare or compete with such a superior mind as you own.

I humbly ask to return to the topic and have provided videos to do so.   

They are a bit Hollywood but OK:


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Good old horizon; parallel universes 1-5 follow the links part one below:

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P.S The whole other universes in which it's similar to here, I have trouble with. To me they are different, doesn't to me mean they could'nt hold life etc.
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« Reply #26 on: 14/06/2008 17:16:29 »
The Big Bang Theory is good and all but it goes COMPLETELY against all laws of physics. The law of conservation of matter and energy states that matter and energy cannot be either created or destroyed only converted into each other.
so how does this theory work? i also do not believe that the theory Einstein favored is true either. (he favored a continuous universe. one with no end and no beginning).
So what theory could possibly work.
the only other one i can think of is that before the Universe was pure energy and something happened to that energy to create matter. but i see holes in this as well such as what caused this to occur and where did that energy come from. so can somebody help?

Hey there, hope you see the problem, We can give an answer to the question, it just changes the reality of everything to do so.

But atleast M-theory gives an answer. 
 

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« Reply #27 on: 14/06/2008 17:21:38 »
[quote[It was silly of me to have even considered for one moment, that I could compare or compete with such a superior mind as you own.[/quote]

I don't ask you to apologise. I only suggest that you take note of what the Great Scientists have had to say about things and to consider your views in the light of it.
One piece of real learning is worth hours and hours of directionless speculation.
If people want to discuss Science then they should do just that. Terry Pratchett does the other thing extremely well and his version happens to be entertaining, too.
 

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« Reply #28 on: 14/06/2008 17:41:45 »
HUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM;

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It was silly of me to have even considered for one moment, that I could compare or compete with such a superior mind as you own.

I don't ask you to apologise. I only suggest that you take note of what the Great Scientists have had to say about things and to consider your views in the light of it.

We'll when one shows up, I will :), That's a joke.

You clearly didn't understand me.

One piece of real learning is worth hours and hours of directionless speculation.
If people want to discuss Science then they should do just that. Terry Pratchett does the other thing extremely well and his version happens to be entertaining, too.

Thankyou. You are correct. I apologise for apologising. 

Can we get back to the big bang theory now?
« Last Edit: 14/06/2008 19:40:22 by JOLLY »
 

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« Reply #29 on: 14/06/2008 20:52:44 »
Agreed.
From now back until 'just after' the Big Bang we have pretty good evidence. It's the best we can do at the moment. We can visualise back to then using more or less conventional ideas and models.
Before and during the BB is much much harder. You just can't consider aned 'earlier time' because the BB is a backward limit on time as we experience it.
To look at the causes of or precoursers to the BB you have to look outside the space time we know and love. String theory introduces these other dimensions for a unifying model for the fundamental particles and forces.
This is really way out stuff and can't be verified without access to much higher energy levels than we have yet.
CERN may have the tools.
IF string theory can be verified as better than a good intellectually satisfying idea then the same ideas can take you outside space time and allow an explanation for the BB too.
It is all very speculative, remember. But the speculation is being made by some pretty impressive minds.

 

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« Reply #30 on: 16/06/2008 19:47:35 »
Agreed.
From now back until 'just after' the Big Bang we have pretty good evidence. It's the best we can do at the moment. We can visualise back to then using more or less conventional ideas and models.
Before and during the BB is much much harder. You just can't consider aned 'earlier time' because the BB is a backward limit on time as we experience it.
To look at the causes of or precoursers to the BB you have to look outside the space time we know and love.

String theory gives time one dimension. Under what you are suggesting there, are you not giving time an extra dimension?
 

lyner

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« Reply #31 on: 17/06/2008 16:40:34 »
No. I hadn't thought of it that way. Why do you say it would be necessary?
 

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« Reply #32 on: 17/06/2008 17:06:19 »
No. I hadn't thought of it that way. Why do you say it would be necessary?

Well it's just if you say time before the big bang, is different to the time afterwards. Then you are sort of making a time 1 and time 2.
I don't think M-Theorist do this, they see it as one long time dimension sort of like: BC and AD, I suppose would fit as an analogy.
So it's BBB and ABB but time, as a dimension, stays the same.
 

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« Reply #33 on: 17/06/2008 22:34:07 »
You misunderstand. There is no need for a time before the BB. 'Before the BB' is just not part of the set Time.
The way we happen to appreciate time doesn't have to govern all the hows and whys about time. Think outside the box.
 

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« Reply #34 on: 23/06/2008 22:17:52 »
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Well it's just if you say time before the big bang, is different to the time afterwards. Then you are sort of making a time 1 and time 2.
Uh? I am not talking about a time 'before' the BB because it doesn't need to exist.
You have to stop thinking that way.
If you have a tape measure, you don't demand that there should be a negative scale on it, do you? You don't demand another tape for measuring things in the other direction.
For a Scalar quantity we are happy enough not to have negatives so WHY do you insist on negatives for Time? And it's no good saying "It makes sense to"!!!!
 

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« Reply #35 on: 23/06/2008 23:41:50 »
Big bang is wrong. Has been and always will be.

quarks, the smallest discernable form of matter, are made of energy. Energy has been around for as long as the universes and galaxies have. Energy forms quarks in different ways, forming flavors. flavors with different spins form protons, electrons, and neutrons. they form atoms. atoms bond and, eventually, form ammino acids. they form single-celled organisms. those organisms evolve into people, plants, fungus, monera and protista.

it's as simple as that. the worlds formed from energy. stuff happens.
 

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« Reply #36 on: 24/06/2008 14:48:25 »
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Big bang is wrong. Has been and always will be.
And who told you that? Or did you calculate it from all the facts you could glean?
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« Reply #37 on: 06/07/2008 11:09:08 »
OH !! guys to end my little contribution to this thread.

"I don't know for sure, nobody does."
 

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« Reply #38 on: 11/07/2008 09:07:35 »
I salute you for your honesty
OH !! guys to end my little contribution to this thread.

"I don't know for sure, nobody does."
 

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