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« on: 29/05/2008 00:25:46 »
I guess that no one would claim that the recent Mars lander is a huge conspiracy.
So, if the Moon landings were faked, 'they' must have started to produce genuine missions at some point, since then.
When was the first real mission and what are your grounds for believing in that particular one? (I guess it would have to be one which didn't use a flag).


 

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« Reply #1 on: 29/05/2008 19:25:01 »
"I guess that no one would claim that the recent Mars lander is a huge conspiracy."
Just watch them.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 29/05/2008 23:16:36 »
It strikes me that it would have been cheaper and easier to send people to the moon rather than set up a big hoax.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 30/05/2008 00:29:24 »
Less chance of being found out too.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 30/05/2008 11:47:04 »
Good TV programme on Sat evening CH4.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 30/05/2008 13:19:42 »
They faked it! MARS DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST!
 

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« Reply #6 on: 31/05/2008 22:34:24 »
Good TV programme on Sat evening CH4.

Well that seems to have put the conspiracy theory to bed.

The thing that spoilt it for me is that they didn't know who the first man in space was. They mentioned some Russian name, I'm pretty sure it was an American.
 

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« Reply #7 on: 01/06/2008 21:00:33 »
I really hope you are kidding when you say "The thing that spoilt it for me is that they didn't know who the first man in space was. They mentioned some Russian name, I'm pretty sure it was an American."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin
 

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« Reply #8 on: 01/06/2008 21:11:53 »
Yuri G: hero of the Soviet Union.
Lovely bloke. Not at all flash. Just first, despite what the US would have liked.
But at what cost to the Soviets?
They are said to have won at Stalingrad because they cared less for their fighters than the Germans did for theirs. That's why they got into orbit first with a man, too.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 01/06/2008 23:24:06 »
I really hope you are kidding when you say "The thing that spoilt it for me is that they didn't know who the first man in space was. They mentioned some Russian name, I'm pretty sure it was an American."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin

What tosh and pish.

Have you tried googling 'first man in space'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kittinger

I'll be six feet under before I recognise Yuri as the first man in space.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 02/06/2008 09:13:03 »
But did anyone claim that Kittinger had been put into orbit?
Read my earlier post more carefully. Even poor old Alan Shepard didn't go into orbit and they made a huge fuss of him.
There's no point in being nationalistic about these things. NASA did very well for many years but, as space became less sexy, funding was reduced. Where would they have been during the lean years of the Shuttle if there had been no one else with a launch vehicle?

btw, is 'googling' now the sole source of information in the World and is Wikkers 100% reliable? It disturbs me when I 'google' a topic and the first thing I see turns out to be some post I have put on TNS forums. What sort of authority is that?

I tend to find that books and radio broadcasts have a bit more substance.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 02/06/2008 19:21:55 »
A quick look through the wiki page says he did lots of high altitude balooning.
Baloons are held up by air.
Air isn't space.
What did he do in space, and how did he get there?
 

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« Reply #12 on: 02/06/2008 23:54:07 »
look here, you are all just using facts to back up an argument and that sort of tattic doesn't work here.

Where does space start?
 

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« Reply #13 on: 03/06/2008 09:56:16 »
Where space starts is totally debatable; whether or not you are in orbit is a much more objective measure.
There is a similar distinction between having been to the Moon and 'just' having been in Earth orbit.
Soviets won the first bit and the US won the second bit. Since then there has been a lot of international activity up there and various records have be set- mostly limited by the amount of funding available.

Is there any point in arguing further?

Let's avoid facts at all costs. They just cloud the issue.
 

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« Reply #14 on: 03/06/2008 19:52:14 »
"Where space starts is totally debatable"
Not entirely- you cannot argue that space starts in my cellar.
"Is there any point in arguing further?"
Always!
http://xkcd.com/386/

 

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« Reply #15 on: 04/06/2008 23:43:10 »
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you cannot argue that space starts in my cellar.
Yawanna bet I couldn't argue that?
 

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« Reply #16 on: 05/06/2008 21:44:10 »
Yep. I know there's no space in my cellar.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 05/06/2008 22:49:52 »
I'm sure I could fit a cigarette paper between the pith helmet and the 1922 issue of Punch.
 

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« Reply #18 on: 06/06/2008 10:21:34 »
They faked it! MARS DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST!
How are you so sure about it?
 

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« Reply #19 on: 07/06/2008 23:34:16 »
I really hope you are kidding when you say "The thing that spoilt it for me is that they didn't know who the first man in space was. They mentioned some Russian name, I'm pretty sure it was an American."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin

What tosh and pish.

Have you tried googling 'first man in space'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kittinger

I'll be six feet under before I recognise Yuri as the first man in space.

I'm a bit slow on this one, and all respect to Joseph Kittinger, but why are you seeming to suggest that he might be the first man in space?

His 1959 jump was from 76,400ft but Bill Bridgeman had flown the D-558 II to 79,494 ft in 1951.  Similarly, his 1960 jump from 102,800 ft had been pre-dated by Iven C. Kincheloe who flew the Bell X-2 to 126,200 ft in 1956.

There were some rumours that Gagarin wasn't actually the first man in space, but the first to survive.  Even before the web, I recall reading of rumours that an earlier attempt by the Russians had failed and ended in the death of the unnamed cosmonaut.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 08/06/2008 00:47:31 »

Iven C. Kincheloe who flew the Bell X-2 to 126,200 ft in 1956.


I didn't know about him. Looks like it might have been him.

Joe Kittenger still holds the record for the highest parachute jump. Loads of people say they are going to break it and it never happens. Its getting on for a 50 year old record, hats off to Joe I say.
 

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« Reply #21 on: 08/06/2008 13:56:47 »
"I'm sure I could fit a cigarette paper between the pith helmet and the 1922 issue of Punch." Someone already did.

All this talk of planes, parachutes and balloons is all very well. The one thing they have in common is that they don't work in space because they need an atmosphere.
They were great achievements; the people involved had great courage and ingenuity. They deserve more recognitions than they currently enjoy but they didn't get into space.
At least people are still trying
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7421435.stm
 

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« Reply #22 on: 08/06/2008 17:54:24 »
BC
You would deserve recognition if you managed to clear out your cellar, too. Are you still trying?
 

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« Reply #23 on: 08/06/2008 18:47:38 »
"Are you still trying?"
Extreemly.
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« Reply #24 on: 08/06/2008 21:15:47 »
You could be - if you knowledge of Science was a limited as some other contributors. As it is, I don't find you trying.
Try harder to try and you could be trying.
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