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Offline mario

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Would this perpetual motion machine work?
« on: 15/07/2008 09:59:35 »
This company claim to have created limitless energy via magnets!?

newbielink:http://www.steorn.com/ [nonactive]

Can i have your opinions? could this actually be true?

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Re: Would this perpetual motion machine work?
« Reply #1 on: 15/07/2008 10:11:50 »
No. Many have claimed to have made such a device, however none have provided proof.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 15/07/2008 10:45:09 »
There seems to be an endless supply of such devices and of mugs who want to buy them. That's the only limitless aspect to it.
 

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Re: Would this perpetual motion machine work?
« Reply #3 on: 15/07/2008 12:05:16 »
I'll wait for the validation priocess to end befiore I say too much. At the moment, though, I'm dubious.
 

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Re: Would this perpetual motion machine work?
« Reply #4 on: 15/07/2008 13:13:38 »
There are websites listing loads of devices dating back centuries.   All have come to nothing.

I could make a black box which seems to produce more electrical output than is fed to it as measured on voltmeters and ammeters.  I could swap the meters between input and output to prove that the metering is not fiddled..     
 

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« Reply #5 on: 18/07/2008 18:12:45 »
Yes - it's I.V that counts for AC Power, not |I||V|.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 22/07/2008 15:11:19 »
Nothing wrong with skepticism - from the web site

"Orbo technology is subject to continuous development. This development is focused on improving the manufacturability of the technology, production costs and power density. Orbo was initially developed as using stop-start mechanisms (with a power density of 0.5 Watts per cm3"

Even I can see this  :)

But can energy be obtained for free? Maybe - zero point energy fields are claimed as a solution, still no proof like free petrol for a car? That would be too hard as evidence.

Anyway I prefer to walk - it seems like free energy on a nice day


 

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« Reply #7 on: 29/07/2008 21:19:23 »
I've heard about the 'Orbo' on sites like PESWiki.  The page is quite complete, including a patent abstract.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steorn_Free_Energy [nofollow]

I think that it is just a marketing tactic to get recognized.
 

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« Reply #8 on: 29/07/2008 21:44:07 »
The literature on the website reads very woolly when it comes to the Science.
I don't know what 'blocking' the magnetic field involves. Usually, this would involve some material with high permeability. Moving such an object involves changing the Magnetic Potential which involves a Force times a Distance - i.e. Work. You may get this Energy back (less the friction loss) but you can't expect to get anything more.
Keep yer money in yer wallet!
 

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« Reply #9 on: 13/11/2008 00:26:21 »
I have been in contact with a person who work on steorn projects and from what was said it is not perfected yet but they believe it is close. But all and all it still hasn't been publicly displayed as a runner. Only private meetings for investors. It is still a wait and see game.
 

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Would this perpetual motion machine work?
« Reply #10 on: 13/11/2008 09:27:01 »

But can energy be obtained for free? Maybe - zero point energy fields are claimed as a solution...


Utilising ZP energy would be the same as solar or wind power; you would be utilising energy produced outside of the device. It's no different really than taking an electrical device in isolation and conveniently forgetting that there's a power station somewhere generating the electricity.

Getting something for seemingly nothing is not the same thing as a perpetual motion machine. A perpetual motion machine must either use no external power source or output more energy than is input - I think  ???.
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« Reply #11 on: 13/11/2008 09:32:03 »
Steorn have, on a number of occasions I believe, set up a 'public demonstration' of their device, then pulled out at the last minute.  It all sounds like a big marketing scam.  I'm very suspicious that they claim to have shown it to investors, but not to the public, and then when someone asks they say it's 'nearly perfected' - so they're showing a non-functional device to investors?
 

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