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#### Ian Scott

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##### Would this lead to Levitation?
« on: 22/07/2008 00:04:11 »
Levitation

Yes I like to think and this is why I like this web site. So here is another question - if we wish to consider it.

Rectilinear motion back and forth provides no composite momentum - so why not add angular rotation?

If you rotate at the same rate then you will find a force and so therefore if you make a machine this it would levitate if you "point it up"

I can describe this easily enough I ask this question though - anyone here want to levitate?

Imagine yourself on an ice surface with a rod of metal - pull it in to move forward. Then rotate a 1/2 turn and push it back.
Wouldn't you continue?

This system is imperfect. Three phase is better and point the system up to levitate.

If I put money into this can anyone say why bit wouldn't work or just be blowing smoke?

Mod edit - formatted the subject as a question.  Please try to do this to help keep the forum tidy and easy to navigate - thanks!
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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #1 on: 22/07/2008 00:41:27 »
Is that not a similar principal to a gyroscope?

#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #2 on: 22/07/2008 01:27:24 »
It may be

http://ian.r.scott.tripod.com/impulse_engine.htm

I have a few drawings here if you are interested?

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #3 on: 22/07/2008 08:10:06 »
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Imagine yourself on an ice surface with a rod of metal - pull it in to move forward. Then rotate a 1/2 turn and push it back.
Wouldn't you continue?

No, in the first place you would move forward but the weight would also move back, and overall you would be stationary. If you did it while rotating you'd just be doing the same job of going nowhere  but you'd be dizzy.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #4 on: 22/07/2008 08:24:58 »
Try the experiment

#### lyner

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #5 on: 22/07/2008 08:50:29 »
Dear old Eric Laithwait looked into this and gave a RS lecture about it. He asked for help with the Maths but no one would talk to him about it - it was view as too much of a loony idea. He was really dumped by the Science community; sad.
His sums suggested a reactionless force and a very tatty demo implied the same. However, I think the Maths has beed resolved, subsequently, and I don't think the force is actually predicted.

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#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #6 on: 22/07/2008 09:11:21 »
Shrunk
sophie are you just a mean person

#### lyner

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #7 on: 22/07/2008 09:33:35 »
Mean? Why?
Did you see the lecture? It's on Utube, somewhere.
It was very unfortunate and, compared with his original presentations of linear motors and maglev, it was quite amateurish.

I must admit, it's a very attractive (or, possibly, repulsive - LOL) idea but it seems to have been discredited. I am not aware of any proof that it can be done. It would be pretty Earth shattering, which is why the Establishment didn't want to know.

#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #8 on: 22/07/2008 09:41:49 »
Maybe I don't understand you

I give it this for now

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #9 on: 22/07/2008 09:58:40 »
Try the experiment

Its not worth my effort because I can predict the outcome based on newton's third law. Have you tried the experiment?

This is a quote from your own webpage:
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Simple "rectilinear motion" cannot result in forward acceleration. For example if you stand on ice and throw a heavy ball forward you will travel backward. Let's say the ball is attached to you with by a rope. The rope will unwind and eventually become taut. It will then exert an equal force and opposite to the force felt by you and it will return as will you to the same exact spot (assuming no friction).

So how is that any different to throwing a bar ahead of yourself then pulling yourself toward it? You will not move anywhere, and if you were rotating what would it change?

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#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #10 on: 22/07/2008 10:20:33 »
Shrunk
maybe you are not worth effort

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#### lyner

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #11 on: 22/07/2008 23:14:08 »
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maybe you are not worth effort
There you go again! Naughty.

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#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #12 on: 23/07/2008 01:48:09 »
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Sophie

Just read what I post - I try to make the explanations clear on the web site.

#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #13 on: 23/07/2008 01:58:48 »
Yes it annoys me that people don't get simple science. rectilinear motion and a 1/2 turn is so simple to imagine but maybe humans can't or just don't.

It has to be the latter

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #14 on: 23/07/2008 06:57:05 »
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Are you a troll?

Try the experiment yourself then. Or answer the question from my last post.

#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #15 on: 23/07/2008 08:48:29 »
People repel concepts with a fear threat reaction. I have only explained simple concepts to people with intelligence to listen.

Maybe being a troll is better than to be like some here

Anyone can replicate the experiment on an ice rink with a partner - different mechanism but could be made the same.

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #16 on: 23/07/2008 09:25:35 »

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People repel concepts with a fear threat reaction. I have only explained simple concepts to people with intelligence to listen.

So it can't possibly be that the concept was repelled due to it not being possible, it must be because we're too scared of the concept.

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Maybe being a troll is better than to be like some here

What exactly are you implying about the character of "some here"? You started the thread asking why it wouldn't work and i've told you. Why the bitterness?

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Anyone can replicate the experiment on an ice rink with a partner - different mechanism but could be made the same.

The only way a pair of people could do this on an ice rink is for one of them to grip the ice with their skates whilst pushing/pulling the other. Otherwise they'll just be pushing each other apart to arms length and then pulling back close together, back to where they started, just like your example involving throwing a heavy ball attatched to rope.

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#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #17 on: 23/07/2008 09:48:12 »
Shrunk

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #18 on: 23/07/2008 10:06:43 »
Shrunk
The reflection is of the bad light you emit.

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#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #19 on: 23/07/2008 10:12:37 »
Shrunk
We should not hate each other but we can ask questions in an open forum.

Hatred diminishes the occupier.

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #20 on: 23/07/2008 10:25:40 »
Shrunk

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #21 on: 23/07/2008 13:21:49 »
Shrunk
Hatred is a strong word. If you have percieved emotion and hate simply because I criticised your theory then you must be very sensitive indeed. A big part of science is peer review and criticism, a new theory or idea is never going to go unchallenged, and the proposer of the theory should always be prepared to either defend the idea or accept the flaws pointed out in it like a true scientist and get on with it.

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#### lyner

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #22 on: 23/07/2008 13:58:37 »
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Ian; you are such a 'girlie'.
Stop all this emotional rubbish and behave yourself properly in these conversations.
People on this forum don't contribute to it so that they can have a bitching session. Why not just address the Scientific issues and leave out the veiled and unveiled personal remarks? Neither I nor anyone else whose posts I have read wants anything other than to discuss the Science involved.
There are plenty of  Forums run by and for cranks. Go to one of them if you can't be reasonable.
If you want to learn how to write properly, read some of the threads which you don't contribute to and see how it's done.

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#### Ian Scott

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #23 on: 23/07/2008 22:57:54 »
Shrunk
Sophie

don't reply to me and you will be happy.

#### Flyberius

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #24 on: 23/07/2008 23:32:00 »
Sophie

don't reply to me and you will be happy.

lolololololol

Another entry in the quackery hall of fame.  You dont think a corporation would have cashed in on this simple idea.  What better proof that it doesnt work than that?

How about you give us a video demonstration of the experiment.  Of YOU doing it.  You may mask yourself if you fear for your safety.

Simple as.  You can go on Dragons Den and make Miwwions by this time next year.

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##### Re: Would this lead to Levitation?
« Reply #24 on: 23/07/2008 23:32:00 »