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« on: 09/08/2008 18:30:33 »
The collapse of Special Relativity [1]

I study upon light kinematics and I have some new results/methods for space-time. One of them menaces the SR seriously.

I have followed forums about special relativity. I am glad for finding some objectors. My determination will approve their arguments.

In the forums which I joined, I tested the ability of understanding of my statement. The new concept was declared in few forums and by my book (at April 2008).

The new concept/master key will declare at August 25, 2008 (at the end of Beijing Olympics) on this thread.


 

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« Reply #1 on: 09/08/2008 18:37:20 »
Do you know how carefully SR has been tested?
 

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« Reply #2 on: 09/08/2008 18:55:21 »
Do you know how carefully SR has been tested?

The collapse of SR [2]


 I want to give some secondary or preparatory information.

1-   The theory of SR has consistency and it is defensible due to its postulates.
2-   Every determination is produced and correct by its own references. Also, all references (and their sub/chaining references) have accordance with science or paradigm. But the roots of them are axioms or postulates. And postulates usually were not constituted by scientific procedure; they are recorded by satiated perceptions in local conditions.
3-   Master-key is a postulate what has been rebuilt by scientific methods. It is very simple. And you may see complete picture of light kinematics.
4-   After my information; you may think that `this is similar of Galileo event".  In my opinion: It is second Galileo event.
5-   The theory of SR will take part in science history as an idol for weakness of human's performance.
6-   In schools SR will use as an example for human's linear thinking instead of the nature's secret.
7-   All publications about SR will be trash.
8-   The space-time can be analyzed without deformation of units of dimensions due to rules of new concept.
9-   I am very sorry by being the reason of a sensation.


Please activate your attention and follow.

The new concept is harmonious with all of experiments and principals of relativity.

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« Reply #3 on: 09/08/2008 19:15:39 »
Oh yawn, we've got another 1
 

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« Reply #4 on: 09/08/2008 20:27:05 »
It does grow old somewhat.

I am looking forward to the 25th though ^^.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 10/08/2008 10:14:44 »
<<The collapse of Special Relativity>>

certainly, take a region of spacetime which contains mass or energy or pressure, and SR doesn't hold anylonger...
(for this reason Albert Einstein created General Relativity 10 years later).

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« Reply #6 on: 10/08/2008 14:16:38 »
Oh yawn, we've got another 1

Thanks for your sensitivity.

Of course, The theory SR was adopted during 100 years and sanctified again in 2005. Even it is force major or under the auspices of actual scientific paradigm. I have not the right to belittle it; because it is consistent by its own references. For example, the sentence of "the orbit of moon is circle" is valid If the earth is reference system. But what if the sun is reference ?

Remember the Galileo event! Everybody had said that "The sun turns around the earth" exept Galileo.

I know, this is never easy to agree. But theory analyses the light by looking from earth; I analyse the space-time from out of Universe.
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« Reply #7 on: 10/08/2008 14:34:24 »
<<The collapse of Special Relativity>>

certainly, take a region of spacetime which contains mass or energy or pressure, and SR doesn't hold anylonger...
(for this reason Albert Einstein created General Relativity 10 years later).

Cheers.

I only applied the  modified postulate by me for Hubble constant. And I transformed to a single value (Ho = 43,7 +/- 0,2 km/s/mpc) all of the values of Ho at present between 40-80.

 

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« Reply #8 on: 10/08/2008 15:12:02 »
Remember the Galileo event! Everybody had said that "The sun turns around the earth" except Galileo.

It was Copernicus.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 10/08/2008 15:15:22 »
Oh yawn, we've got another 1

Thanks for your sensitivity.


You're welcome.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 10/08/2008 16:42:23 »
Copernicus, Galileo...it was close, anyway..im just a poor boy, nobody loves me. he's just a poor boy, from a poor family.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 10/08/2008 17:10:37 »
"I analyse the space-time from out of Universe. "
Quite.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 10/08/2008 18:25:38 »
It is true that axioms/postulates are at the root of SR but it's the same for any theory that attempts to explain the universe.  They will all have to say, at the lowest level of the theory, that it's this way because it just is.  SR & GR don't explain how energy becomes mass, or visa versa, and QED doesn't try to say exactly what the six different quark flavours actually represent.  In all theories, you reach a point where you need to bridge between abstract and reality, and that's the point where the axioms and postulates are needed.
 

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« Reply #13 on: 10/08/2008 20:40:52 »
There already exist some quite convincing sums which explain how SR works and also where it fails to describe things adequately.
Does xersanozgen have any similar sums for us to look at? Nine bullet points don't really constitute a proof or even a statement of a theory.
Do we also have to 'trash' Newton's Laws too?
 

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« Reply #14 on: 11/08/2008 13:35:31 »
<<The collapse of Special Relativity>>

certainly, take a region of spacetime which contains mass or energy or pressure, and SR doesn't hold anylonger...
(for this reason Albert Einstein created General Relativity 10 years later).

Cheers.

I only applied the  modified postulate by me for Hubble constant. And I transformed to a single value (Ho = 43,7 +/- 0,2 km/s/mpc) all of the values of Ho at present between 40-80.


I've made the same and didn't find any relativity violations...
 

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« Reply #15 on: 11/08/2008 14:18:26 »
Why wait til the end of the olympics?
 

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« Reply #16 on: 11/08/2008 14:53:27 »
xersanozgen: show us your workings, there's a good chap.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 11/08/2008 19:14:15 »
Why wait til the end of the olympics?
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« Reply #18 on: 11/08/2008 22:36:50 »
Come on x, lets see your sums.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 12/08/2008 09:21:46 »
Copernicus, Galileo...it was close, anyway..im just a poor boy, nobody loves me. he's just a poor boy, from a poor family.

GALILEO COPERNICUS

Copernicus - GALILEO = Poincaré - EINSTEIN

I had presented Galileo instead of Copernicus at my topic 'The Collapse of SR'. Thanks for corrective warnings.

Yes, Copernicus determined that the earth turns around the sun and its own axis.

But the importance of Galileo is different. Everybody had recorded "the sun turns around tehe earth" by taking reference the world as an axiom/postulate. Galileo defended by force the reason of "The earth turns around the earth's own axis" for night/daytime. And he was perceived as a menace for society and paradigm. He was judged and punished. The name of Galileo has been popularized due to this event.  In my opinion it is more important transforming the reference and relative systems instead of Copernicus's pure technical contents.

Please active your curiosity, H. Poincaré had suggested the theory SR first. But Einstein had claimed. Because he was mystic; he was been exiting so much. He had appreciated the importance of SR. And the name of Einstein is popularized.

Thanks for the chance of this information

Thank you blackestyger.
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« Reply #20 on: 12/08/2008 09:40:57 »
"I analyse the space-time from out of Universe. "
Quite.

I have a report about the age and diameter of universe by me. The master axis of this study:

Cosmic units (or the actors of analyse) are clusters of galaxies. I use the values of parameters of these actors for scientific integrity.

We can not assure the values of parameters by observatories because of limit of light's velocity. And the effective form of universe is deformed. Therefore I use the form which isolated from ability of observer. It is possible.
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« Reply #21 on: 12/08/2008 09:52:54 »
Come on x, lets see your sums.

I am preparing the perfect information. It is very simple like making reference the sun instead of earth. My announcement takes power by its simplicity. Everybody can understand easily.

Thanks for your patience.
 

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« Reply #22 on: 12/08/2008 10:04:26 »


I've made the same and didn't find any relativity violations...

The redshifts are reduced by a formula (This formula is produced from SR). According to SR, If the lenght is endless Vspec/c becames "1". Let's think:

to be continued.
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« Reply #23 on: 12/08/2008 11:44:36 »
If we organize a diagram for the values of Ho according to their own distances:

The graphic (*) : by the reductions of SR
            (o) : The reduction by new postula (Also, theoretical requırement)
            (z) : Observational values of redshifts.

Ho km/sec/mps
...l
80.l.*..........................z
...l.....*......................z
...l..........*.................z
...l...............*...........z
...l....................*.....z
...looooooooooooooooz
40.l.......................z....*
...l....................z
...l...............z
...l..........z
...l...z
...l_______________________________Distances (at present) G Iy
...0.........................16


(excuse me my graphic and my english)

The points become a linear graphic with negative inclination by reduction of SR. This result tells us that experimental and observational values are correct enoughly; but ıt may be impropriety or a problem in theory of reduction.

The values of the expanding velocity and Vspect was maximum at the start of universe (big bang). Expanding velocity is discreasing by the time*. But the increasing of Vspect   (as the distances grow) is at present. That is an important nuance. The diameter of universe is limited, so the value of Vspect is limited and it doesn't increase by the time. It is fixed interval analysis. 


*Of course somebody inverts thıs reality.
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« Reply #24 on: 12/08/2008 13:06:52 »
General relativity collaped, "news to me" or is just speculation.

As for me it is still sound physics

Regards

Alan
 

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