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« on: 16/09/2008 16:17:46 »
A recent TV programme would have us believe that Homo Erectus rafted across the treacherous Torres Strait to the Indonesian island of Flores about 800,000 years ago, who then dwarfed into 'hobbits'. I propose that a more logical alternative is that a temporary landbridge was created by the rising of the seabed due to a giant comet near-miss pulling on the Earth's inner core around 40,000 years ago. This is evidenced by the carbon-dated Siberian frozen mammoths found in standing positions within the permafrost, with undigested butercups and grasses in their stomachs.

Are any of you aware of the conundrum?


 

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« Reply #1 on: 16/09/2008 17:07:43 »
The mammoths relate to Flores how, exactly?
 

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« Reply #2 on: 16/09/2008 17:15:29 »
Such a seabed movement would have caused vast Tsunamis the evidence of which would be very visable today.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 16/09/2008 17:16:43 »
The mammoths relate to Flores how, exactly?


I'm suggesting that the comet went from Siberia, over Greenland, over the USA to California creating the La Brea Tar Pits, over the Pacific, over Hawaii, and finally over north east Australia, creating a 6km high rise of the lithosphere all the way. This not only allowed the peopling of Australia, but also the USA from the south west.

It's pretty far out, I know.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 16/09/2008 17:19:05 »
Such a seabed movement would have caused vast Tsunamis the evidence of which would be very visable today.


Good point. There is lots of evidence. See the chevrons of south Madagascar, 600 feet high formed by tsunamis. It was 40,000 years ago remember. That's a long time for the evidence to erode away.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 16/09/2008 18:16:02 »
The largest comets are only around 40-odd km in diameter - they'd be too small to have the gravitational effect you suggest and would, in any case, pass too quickly for anything to exploit the non-existent land-bridge.

Along with Evie, I can see no link between frozen Siberian mammoths and Flores - how is the one evidence of the other?
 

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« Reply #6 on: 16/09/2008 19:13:32 »
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The mammoths relate to Flores how, exactly?



I'm suggesting that the comet went from Siberia, over Greenland, over the USA to California creating the La Brea Tar Pits, over the Pacific, over Hawaii, and finally over north east Australia, creating a 6km high rise of the lithosphere all the way. This not only allowed the peopling of Australia, but also the USA from the south west.

It's pretty far out, I know.

So, how does the comet (and subsequent crustal uplift/deformation) explain mammoths being found upright in permafrost?
 

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« Reply #7 on: 16/09/2008 20:12:09 »
Never mind the Hobbits, how did the trolls get there?
 

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« Reply #8 on: 16/09/2008 21:57:12 »
Velikovsky lives!
 

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« Reply #9 on: 17/09/2008 14:01:31 »
The largest comets are only around 40-odd km in diameter - they'd be too small to have the gravitational effect you suggest


Not so, I've been in contact with a professor who's written a book on comets, and he said that it was perfectly possible for a giant comet near-miss, just very unlikely in his opinion.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 17/09/2008 14:04:23 »
Velikovsky lives!


The professor also said that because of Velikovsky's wild claims, the whole subject of giant comets became taboo for the professional community.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 17/09/2008 14:12:24 »
Evie said "So, how does the comet (and subsequent crustal uplift/deformation) explain mammoths being found upright in permafrost?"


Good question. I propose that the only explanation is that earthquakes liquified the soil, entrapping the mammoths. The landmass then rose by around 6km into the freezing air temperatures above. The slow sinking back to equilibrium left the entombed animals to be discovered in the permafrost 40,000 years later. I also propose that Siberia was lush with vegetation during the summer, hence the reason why mammoths could be sustained there in the first place. I further propose that the giant comet near-miss pulled on the Earth's inner core which induced convection currents within the mantle. This meant less heat would reach the surface, so creating the last ice age.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 18/09/2008 14:18:34 »
Never mind the Hobbits, how did the trolls get there?


Hey, nice sense of humour. Who would have guessed?
 

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« Reply #13 on: 23/09/2008 10:05:04 »
To view a much more lively debate on this theory, visit Sciforums.com in the Astronomy section and also 'Gravity Problem Solved' in the Pseudoscience section.
« Last Edit: 23/09/2008 12:15:38 by common_sense_seeker »
 

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« Reply #14 on: 23/09/2008 13:37:48 »
I thought that the Homo Florensis (sp) people were tiny in proportion to any other person of their time or now in  2008.

Isn't the Island of Flores in the Indonesian Archipelago?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

BTW Homo is latin for Human
 

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« Reply #15 on: 23/09/2008 15:33:42 »
Isn't it in the Azores?

Quote (The Revenge; an old epic poem by Tennyson)
"At Flores in the Azores, Sir Richard Grenville lay"
Had to learn it at School!
 

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« Reply #16 on: 23/09/2008 15:42:04 »
This is the Indonesian island near the island of Komodo, of giant lizard fame. When you see it on Google Earth it doesn't seem that far from the Australian mainland.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 23/09/2008 16:52:21 »
For Tennyson enthusiasts

http://www.online-literature.com/short.php/726?term=the revenge&no_ck_c=0
 

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« Reply #18 on: 23/09/2008 16:57:44 »
I don't remember the Hobbits going to Flores! Was this during the quest for the one ring?
 

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« Reply #19 on: 23/09/2008 17:58:57 »
And he said "fight on fight on", tho' his vessel was all but a wreck"
 

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« Reply #20 on: 23/09/2008 19:21:03 »
To view a much more lively debate on this theory, visit Sciforums.com in the Astronomy section and also 'Gravity Problem Solved' in the Pseudoscience section.
Stop calling it a theory; theories have to make sense.
 

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« Reply #21 on: 23/09/2008 21:14:00 »
The evidence of a giant tsunami wouldnt erode away, it would get covered up by sediment decaying matter etc waiting for the day 40,000 years later for someone to come along a dig it up.
 

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« Reply #22 on: 24/09/2008 13:00:15 »
Maybe it just needs someone to do that then. The tsunami wave produced from a comet ocean impact would be totally different to the wave produced from an uplift of the ocean floor incidentally. The guano mud flow of the Great Cave of Niah, Borneo dated to 40,000 B.P is evidence of such a long-period wave in my opinion.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/a03r258177025458

References for the temporary land bridge hypothesis between the American continent and Australasia due to a giant comet near-miss pulling on the Earth's inner core of dark matter around 40,000 B.P are:

http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/430944.stm

http://www.centerfirstamericans.org/research.php

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Siberian_American_Aborigines

« Last Edit: 24/09/2008 13:19:55 by common_sense_seeker »
 

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« Reply #23 on: 24/09/2008 16:49:21 »
Just to add to the fun Flores is nowhere near the Torres straight, it is part of a long chain of islands in Indonesia seperated by fairly narrow stretches of water. It is several hundred miles away from the Torres straight which separates Papua New Guinea from Australia.
 

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« Reply #24 on: 25/09/2008 10:01:13 »
It's definitely next to a treacherous stretch of water. A TV documentary tried to re-enact the 800,000 year ago(!) raft building and then crossing by Homo Erectus. They had no chance, and were taken miles south and off course. Hence my 40,000 year ago land bridge proposal seems more likely in my opinion, when they were already dwarfed down to hobbit size.
 

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