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Can I use An Inflated Tyre to Inflate my Own ?
« on: 10/10/2008 11:49:10 »
Wocha Peeps,

See this tyre ?

Nice eh ?

Tyres are my all time favourite round things made of rubber that vehicles use to get around on.

Say I had a flat tyre (but no puncture) could I use another tyre (say..my neighbours tyres for instance) to partially inflate my own ?....He wouldn't mind !

..To fully inflate my tyre would I just need to utilise a far bigger tyre as the air source ?

Whajafink

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« Reply #1 on: 10/10/2008 15:08:09 »
Just the same as with buckets of water. Two identical tyres would end up at half pressure. Another, donor, tyre of twice the volume would produce 2/3 pressure in both. And so on .

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« Reply #2 on: 11/10/2008 09:53:05 »
Hi Neil

the results may not be what you expect; although the pressure might equalise between the two tyres, the volume might not. Have a look at this "two balloons" kitchen science experiment we did on the show recently:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/kitchenscience/exp/balloons-on-a-tube/

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« Reply #3 on: 11/10/2008 11:15:15 »
Except that balloons are very flexible and a lot of energy is stored in the stretched rubber  (the volume / pressure relationship is non-linear) Motor tyres are much more rigid. If the 'empty' tyre is not actually squashed flat then my simple equation would work. I'm not sure how much air would be squeezed out of an uninflated tyre if the car were to be lowered onto it.This would be an added factor. There is only 2Bar of excess pressure in a road tyre so the simple model may not give the right answer.
Air cylinders used in diving work more 'ideally' because the pressures are higher and the 'envelope' can be considered as rigid - In the Navy divers used to decant air from one cylinder to another as part of their dive plan. (More reliable than using a contents gauge).

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« Reply #4 on: 11/10/2008 11:38:05 »
Just the same as with buckets of water. Two identical tyres would end up at half pressure. Another, donor, tyre of twice the volume would produce 2/3 pressure in both. And so on .

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« Reply #5 on: 11/10/2008 11:39:30 »
Hi Neil

the results may not be what you expect; although the pressure might equalise between the two tyres, the volume might not. Have a look at this "two balloons" kitchen science experiment we did on the show recently:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/kitchenscience/exp/balloons-on-a-tube/

Chris

Gosh..Thanks Chris...that's great !

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« Reply #6 on: 11/10/2008 11:40:53 »
Except that balloons are very flexible and a lot of energy is stored in the stretched rubber  (the volume / pressure relationship is non-linear) Motor tyres are much more rigid. If the 'empty' tyre is not actually squashed flat then my simple equation would work. I'm not sure how much air would be squeezed out of an uninflated tyre if the car were to be lowered onto it.This would be an added factor. There is only 2Bar of excess pressure in a road tyre so the simple model may not give the right answer.
Air cylinders used in diving work more 'ideally' because the pressures are higher and the 'envelope' can be considered as rigid - In the Navy divers used to decant air from one cylinder to another as part of their dive plan. (More reliable than using a contents gauge).

Brilliant information...I am learning !!....thank ewe very much !!

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« Reply #7 on: 11/10/2008 12:12:48 »
Gases behave more nearly ideally at low pressures and, at low pressures the deformation of the container will be smaller.
If you jack up your car and sit on the other acr when you connect the tyres you will pump slightly more than half the air (assuming identical tyres and similar cars)

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« Reply #8 on: 11/10/2008 12:26:49 »
Gases behave more nearly ideally at low pressures and, at low pressures the deformation of the container will be smaller.
If you jack up your car and sit on the other acr when you connect the tyres you will pump slightly more than half the air (assuming identical tyres and similar cars)

..Now that's a great idea Bored Chemist and now that you've explained it I can see how that works...sounds like a great idea...Thank you very much !

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« Reply #9 on: 11/10/2008 18:26:25 »
While you're at it, you may as well borrow your neighbor's petrol as well

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« Reply #10 on: 12/10/2008 07:37:56 »
While you're at it, you may as well borrow your neighbor's petrol as well

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« Reply #11 on: 12/10/2008 23:07:07 »
Just the same as with buckets of water. Two identical tyres would end up at half pressure. Another, donor, tyre of twice the volume would produce 2/3 pressure in both. And so on .

THANK EWE very much our esteemed Silver Surfer Sophiecentaur !
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« Reply #11 on: 12/10/2008 23:07:07 »