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« Reply #25 on: 10/11/2008 23:14:42 »
How do you get evil people to do good things then?

Shipman was a doctor. Don't doctors do good things? And was Shipman evil? Certainly his actions were; and if you take the view that we are defined by our actions, then he was evil.
 

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« Reply #26 on: 11/11/2008 01:35:15 »
It could be that they do good things if it is in their own evil interest to do so...

The point of that quote is that ideologies can make people do things that they wouldn't otherwise do.
 

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« Reply #27 on: 11/11/2008 18:43:26 »
I'm about to play a baddy in a Panto. I'm a bit of a method actor. So your telling me in order to play someone that does truely evil things, I need to give my character faith! Well blow me down.
 

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« Reply #28 on: 12/11/2008 01:01:06 »
Do evil people think they are doing evil things?
 

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« Reply #29 on: 12/11/2008 04:41:45 »
People like religious suicide bombers probably believe they are doing good for themselves and their religion. They aren't evil themselves, but their actions are. The religious leaders who mentor them though might be a different story.

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« Reply #30 on: 12/11/2008 09:46:27 »
I don't think anyone really does something that they think is evil - they will justify it one way or another.  Most, if not all, of us will have done something that made someone else suffer, but we always think it's justified at the time.  I think this generally occurs in school, while we're still learning who we are and how to act, but that "he deserved it" feeling is strong at the time - it's only afterwards when we evaluate our actions from a different perspective that we feel it was the wrong thing to do, and so our definition of justification adapts.

Any ideology can be used to justify 'evil' actions, it's not limited to religion - misplaced nationalism (which can lead to racism, xenophobia etc) is one example, vigilante justice is another.

Hitler, often held up to be a paragon of 'evil', no doubt felt his actions were justified, perhaps for the good of the German people, perhaps just for the good of the Arian race, or just for the good of his own family or peers.  This isn't to say that what he did was right, but that he felt it was justified.
 

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« Reply #31 on: 12/11/2008 10:02:36 »
Well said, Ben.
 

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« Reply #32 on: 12/11/2008 14:05:58 »
Good & evil are just facets of societal norms.
 

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