And another thing.

I was up on a wiki just before writing this:)

Just to check my views, ah, sort of:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizonAnd now I got myself a new headache:)

We used to speak of black holes as something that could happen at all times.

Then for some year ago there came that theory stating that nothing ever could fall past the event horizon, if you remember:)

Looking at the wiki now I see that it states.

"A misconception concerning event horizons, especially black hole event horizons, is that they represent an immutable surface that destroys objects that approach them.

In practice, all event horizons appear to be some distance away from any observer, and objects sent towards an event horizon never appear to cross it from the sending observer's point of view (as the horizon-crossing event's light cone never intersects the observer's world line).

Attempting to make an object approaching the horizon remain stationary with respect to an observer requires applying a force whose magnitude becomes unbounded (becoming infinite) the closer it gets."

As well as...

"For the case of the horizon around a black hole, observers stationary with respect to a distant object will all agree on where the horizon is. While this seems to allow an observer lowered towards the hole on a rope to contact the horizon, in practice this cannot be done.

If the observer is lowered very slowly, then, in the observer's frame of reference, the horizon appears to be very far away, and ever more rope needs to be paid out to reach the horizon. If the observer is quickly lowered by another observer, then indeed the first observer, and some of the rope can touch and even cross the (second observer's) event horizon.

If the rope is pulled taut to fish the first observer back out, then the forces along the rope increase without bound as they approach the event horizon, and at some point the rope must break. Furthermore, the break must occur not at the event horizon, but at a point where the second observer can observe it.

Attempting to stick a rigid rod through the hole's horizon cannot be done: if the rod is lowered extremely slowly, then it is always too short to touch the event horizon, as the coordinate frames near the tip of the rod are extremely compressed.

From the point of view of an observer at the end of the rod, the event horizon remains hopelessly out of reach. If the rod is lowered quickly, then the same problems as with the rope are encountered: the rod must break and the broken-off pieces inevitably fall in.

These peculiarities only occur because of the supposition that the observers be stationary with respect to some other distant observer.

Observers who fall into the hole are moving with respect to the distant observer, and so perceive the horizon as being in a different location, seeming to recede in front of them so that they never contact it. Increasing tidal forces (and eventual impact with the hole's gravitational singularity) are the only locally noticeable effects.

While this seems to allow an infalling observer to relay information from objects outside their perceived horizon but inside the distant observer's perceived horizon, in practice the horizon recedes by an amount small enough that by the time the infalling observer receives any signal from farther into the hole, they've already crossed what the distant observer perceived to be the horizon, and this reception event (and any retransmission) can't be seen by the distant observer."

This seems to me as an even 'newer' definition.

Let us take this idea from the perspective of that 'in falling' observer.

I would expect him to fall 'in his time/frame' 'normally.

Without problems passing that event horizon, even though he would be 'dismembered' by the gravitational forces that lurks there.

As otherwise nothing ever could come over that event horizon.

And I don't think this idea is the same as the one saw last year?

I will try to look that one up too, but

Where is this proved?

By what experiments?

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If you think of it it also seems to state that we will have an enormous amount of 'matter' resting(?) around that 'for ever receding' event horizon from the 'matters' perspective.

But never reaching any end (event horizon) ?