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Is it possible that some people are just crap?
« on: 24/01/2009 20:40:40 »
Is it possible that some people are just crap at learning one particular subject? Is it possible that some people (kids) are just little shites? The list goes on....

But one thing remains constant, if you are unruley, misbehaved or struggle with any aspect of learning then you need not worry, there is bound to be a medical condition with a fancy name to discribe your condition. You can then have a nice day in the knowledge that you don't have to learn anything because you have a medical condition....here is the latest (latest on me anyway)

JILL, 19, from Michigan, wants to go to university to read political science. There is just one problem: she keeps failing the mathematics requirement. "I am an exceptional student in all other subjects, so my consistent failure at math made me feel very stupid," she says. In fact, she stopped going to her college mathematics class after a while because, she says, "I couldn't take the daily reminder of what an idiot I was."

Last November, Jill got herself screened for learning disabilities. She found that while her IQ is above average, her numerical ability is equivalent to that of an 11-year-old because she has something called dyscalculia. The diagnosis came partly as a relief, because it explained a lot of difficulties she had in her day-to-day life. She can't easily read a traditional, analogue clock, for example, and always arrives 20 minutes early for fear of being late. When it comes to paying in shops or restaurants, she hands her wallet to a friend and asks them to do the calculation, knowing that she is likely to get it wrong.

Welcome to the stressful world of dyscalculia, where numbers rule because inhabitants are continually trying to avoid situations in which they have to perform even basic calculations. Despite affecting about 5 per cent of people - roughly the same proportion as are dyslexic - dyscalculia has long been neglected by science, and people with it incorrectly labelled as stupid. Now, though, researchers are starting to get to the root of the problem, bringing hope that dyscalculic children will start to get specialist help just as youngsters with dyslexia do.

For hundreds of millions of people this really matters. "We know that basic mathematical fluency is an essential prerequisite for success in life, both at the level of employment and in terms of social success," says Daniel Ansari, a cognitive neuroscientist at the University of Western Ontario in London, Canada. A report published in October 2008 by the British government claimed that dyscalculia cuts a pupil's chances of obtaining good exam results at age 16 by a factor of 7 or more, and wipes more than 100,000 from their lifetime earnings. Early diagnosis and remedial teaching could help them avoid these pitfalls.

People with dyscalculia, also known as mathematics disorder, can be highly intelligent and articulate. Theirs is not a general learning problem. Instead, they have a selective deficit with numerical sets. Put simply, they fail to see the connection between a set of objects - five walnuts, say - and the numerical symbol that represents it, such as the word "five" or the numeral 5. Neither can they grasp that performing additions or subtractions entails making stepwise changes along a number line

Full story here:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126921.700-why-some-people-cant-put-two-and-two-together.html


 

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« Reply #1 on: 24/01/2009 21:59:08 »
Paul these things are very real. In my experience as a teacher most children want to please and want to do well. If they are messing about there are usually one of four factors involved:
1. There are problems causing instability at home.
2. They have a learning difficulty and messing about hides it from others.
3. The child is so clever that school is failing to stimulate them.
4. You are a crap teacher.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 24/01/2009 22:17:23 »
I've got dysdiyia - every time I try to make something it goes horribly wrong.

A few years ago a friend asked me to teach him to play the guitar. After about 3 months he could still only play about 4 chords and had no sense of rhythm. I've taught quite a few people to play and had a fair degree of success doing do; so I don't think that particular failure was my fault. George is just totally unmusical. Is that a learning disability? Shall I invent a grandiose name for it and make myself famous? Stringystrummynotintune-ia?
 

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« Reply #3 on: 24/01/2009 22:23:43 »
Yes!
 

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« Reply #4 on: 24/01/2009 22:59:35 »
dyscalculia



well that explains a lot...
 

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« Reply #5 on: 25/01/2009 08:18:23 »
George is just totally unmusical. Is that a learning disability?
 Shall I invent a grandiose name for it and make myself famous? Stringystrummynotintune-ia?


Stringystrummynotintune-ia? = amusia = dysmelodia = dysmusia .

 

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« Reply #6 on: 25/01/2009 11:06:56 »
I have difficulty with believing that giving a name to some "disorder" acually helps much. Is there a name for this?
My mother can't convert 4 out of 5 to a percentage without a calculator and someone telling her which buttons to press. You could call that discalculia or "crap at maths" or anything else you felt like. So what? It didn't stop her going to university, stuying languages and getting a job as a teacher. It also didn't stop her raising a couple of kids.
Apart from making the list of official scrabble words longer, what does this fad for coining new terms for things that are just part of the normal human condition really achieve?
 

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« Reply #7 on: 25/01/2009 12:13:14 »
Names for such conditions don't matter providing that the education system does not stigmatise someone who is really bad at a particular subject so that it prevents them excelling in other fields. It needs mechanisms to allow for such people to progress, whether it be through more help in a particular area or even an acceptance that the person will not get very far in a particualr subject, whatever they do. I see nothing wrong with this, within the confines of cost, anymore than specially treating people with physical disabilities. If names help, who cares.
 

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