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« Reply #25 on: 28/05/2005 16:14:29 »
I really wish chimera would stop doing that. It really addles my brain [V]
 

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« Reply #26 on: 28/05/2005 20:21:12 »
Hey who's got the degrees and the 183 or whatever IQ? You know ALL dimensions AND their possible values of cricket, which is nothing to be sniffed at, and this model with only 26 would have you stumped? I'm lost for words - figuratively :)

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« Reply #27 on: 28/05/2005 20:38:45 »
Having degrees doesn't make me smart. It just means I can focus & have a good memory. Oh... & that I'm good at bluffing!
 

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« Reply #28 on: 28/05/2005 21:04:36 »
Having mutilated my brain in such a way it will no longer accept cricket-related information does not mean I do not like games, poker is one of my old favs. Gosh, the body-language people exude without them ever knowing it. Psychologists dream, I'd say.

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« Reply #29 on: 28/05/2005 22:39:43 »
A large part of the art of poker is being able to read body language whether you realise you're doing it or not. That & being able to give convincing false signals. I'm rubbish at it, I keep laughing at other people's antics when they're trying to bluff. They sit back trying to look so relaxed (sometimes a tad too relaxed), but watch the muscles at the side of the mouth - twitch, tic, twitch - finger-twiddling, looking at their shoes, smoothing their hair, rubbing their nose & all sorts of other stuff that any1 who knows their business can read a mile off
 

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« Reply #30 on: 30/05/2005 10:58:27 »
Realised last night that when two really good poker players' eyes meet over the table and they have sized each other up for what they are, the other players must be like the well-known 'zombies' from AI-discussions in their eyes,  people who are just going through the motions of the game, thinking they know all there is to know about it, but in fact are largely missing the point.

Kind of Poker Turing test.... :)

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« Reply #31 on: 14/06/2005 18:45:21 »
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And if there is an infinate amount of matter then there is an Infinate amount of Gravity which, surely, would cause the universe to collapse on itself


I know this is an old topic now but thinking about what Dean said (above) Why would there have to be an infinate amount of gravity and an infinate amount of matter, Space is a vacum and if there is no matter when you get REALLY far away from earth then there wouldn't be an infinate amount of matter and an infinate amount of gravity.

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« Reply #32 on: 25/06/2005 15:47:12 »
It turns out that

1) The observable universe has a finite diameter. It's just the farthest distance that light could travel since it all started. Anything beyond that is unobservable, so your guess is as good as mine.
2) The vacuum isn't empty at all. Stuff and anti-stuff keep popping out of it.
3) Infinity is a mathematical abstraction and doesn't really describe anything in the real  world.

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« Reply #33 on: 25/06/2005 20:03:39 »
maybe but what are we to know that when the distance gets further out than we can see maybe it is a TOTAL vacuum

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« Reply #34 on: 27/06/2005 02:26:36 »
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maybe but what are we to know that when the distance gets further out than we can see maybe it is a TOTAL vacuum

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The short answer is that we can't know about anything farther out. All we have are guesses.

It takes some effort to get used to the idea that there are questions we will never be able to answer.

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« Reply #35 on: 27/06/2005 05:54:07 »
Apparently it can be shown that statisticians are right 100% of the time! :D
 

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« Reply #36 on: 27/06/2005 21:06:29 »
I think the bottom line is that we will never know the answer to some of these questions until we die and go to heaven (some of us).
 As much as I would love to know now though

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« Reply #37 on: 28/06/2005 01:23:24 »
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I think the bottom line is that we will never know the answer to some of these questions until we die and go to heaven (some of us).
 As much as I would love to know now though

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And maybe not even then (assuming we do go somewhere when we die).

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« Reply #38 on: 29/06/2005 18:30:09 »
erm well when you go to heaven (if your going there) you will know everything

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« Reply #39 on: 15/07/2005 14:25:34 »
If heaven exists then infinity exists!

Or is that to great a step of faith to take.

I remember at eight yrs of age arguing with my mum about the edge of the universe, she saying that there was nothing, and I say that nothing occupied a volume and was therefore something.

I do not think space has to be infinite, remember the balloon analogy, when we blow up the balloon the surface area increases but is still finite but unbounded in its two dimensions.

If we can raise this analogy up to 4 or more dimensions, it may mean that space may be unbounded but finite (and growing).

It may even be a singularity (consider the experience of the photon travelling at C) and what we perceive as dimensions is just that a perception of some change of parameter of said singularity.
 

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« Reply #40 on: 15/07/2005 21:44:41 »
well I personally can not see how there can be an end, although it is mind boggling how it could be infinite but that is only because we have never seen something infinite.

The universe is sort of growing at the speed of light because of the light travelling outwards away from it's source

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« Reply #41 on: 22/07/2005 11:58:22 »
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Originally posted by Sandwalker


It may even be a singularity (consider the experience of the photon travelling at C) and what we perceive as dimensions is just that a perception of some change of parameter of said singularity.




Nicely put. Makes me think tho that it's funny how close that comes to age-old mystic thinking that everything in existence are just different aspects of one underlying truth or deity if you wish.

Problem is that even if it is true, which I do not rule out, it does not tell us much more than that... it does not explain anything, I'm afraid. And maybe it cannot be known, by us at least, since we are bound to a limited number of those dimensions, and get into trouble and headaches if we try to imagine more of them at the same time than we have fingers on our hand. Like chickens hardwired only to be able to count up to four or so. To them anything after that it just 'many'.
 

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« Reply #42 on: 28/08/2005 17:33:32 »
Our universe(or space) is just like a balloon.If you(or light) starts travling from one point, then you can go around and around forever. In this sense, our universe is infinite, but just like a balloon is finite,our universe is also finite.For more detailes,one can check "A breif history of time" by Stephen hakwins.
 

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« Reply #43 on: 30/08/2005 04:34:54 »
This is a theory to explain the uncomprehendable. Those who want to opt out may do so until the next uncomprehendable theory surfaces.

Hawkins believes that gravity has formed a bubble of a universe but has nothing to say about what is beyond, because in his world there is no beyond. We are a bubble in the middle of nothingness, and we cannot comprehend anything outside of our bubble.

Argument with Hawkins is not possible because of the way the rules are written. It is kind of like being told no by your mother and you ask why and she says simply "because".

Personally, although the math is so very tidy, I hope for something a little more meaningful than being a hicup in nothingness.

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« Reply #44 on: 01/09/2005 23:17:30 »
A worm crawling on the surface of an apple, may think it lives in an infinite universe.  How do we differ from this, living in 4-d space-time?
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« Reply #45 on: 04/09/2005 04:56:51 »
A poor analogy, first parts of worms like the insides of apples, I can attest to that as I have found parts of worms inside apples I have bitten (yeech).

Second, it is not man's nature to accept that he cannot know, and cannot learn. Worms are dumb for leaving their parts inside apples (lol).

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« Reply #46 on: 04/09/2005 07:04:46 »
I'd just like to point out at this juncture that my wife has very nice dimensions.

Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
 

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« Reply #47 on: 06/10/2005 19:42:10 »
the universe is expanding,(we can figure out the rate though it varys in different areas) therefore there is a set amount of space and therefore space is not infinite...  well universes are expanding... so at least within our universe it makes sence.  theory of a multiverse works just like saying from here to the wall is 10 feet  within each unit of feet or inches and so on  there is an infinity there for space is infinite just like that wall there is an infinity infinites and infinity multiverses all stacked on each other....i have been thinking about this all day and searched the web and found this site.... me thinking about this just led to more and more questions and now i am in a frustrated state of trying to figure out the concept of infinity

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« Reply #48 on: 12/10/2005 19:58:24 »
From the big bang the universe just kept expanding at phenomenal speeds. From then on it will keep expanding until it gets to large and collapses on it's self (some scientists think).

I have heard but am not sure that the universe is about 150 billion light-years wide.
 

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« Reply #49 on: 13/10/2005 22:27:13 »
well no one actually knows whether it is infinite or not we don't know. I admit there can't be an infinite ammount of mass though because it would mean infinite gravity this the universe collapsing in on itself. BUT there could be a TOTAL vacuum though for the rest of infinitey. I can not understand how there could be an end. I mean if there is an end like a wall or something there must be something on the other side of the wall. Ya know what I mean?

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