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How did the study of Ki develop? Past and futur
« on: 05/05/2005 04:28:59 »
I have been interested in the concept of Ki and studied Ki and meditation some.

Chinese character for Qi


Here is post I found, quoted from another discussion board,

" Qi has been subjected to this kind of cross cultural parsing error to the point of obscurity. No-one who understood what is implied by Qi would say they don't beleive in it. Saying you don't beleive in Qi is like saying you don't beleive in 'relationship' or "influence".

Qi is an old idea. The model I will try to explain is at least 2300 years old as it is clearly laid out in the Huangdi Neijing, the seminal work of chinese medicine. While essentially a medical text it also lays out a metaphysical model that is basic to chinese philosophy. The oldest character for Qi represented vapours rising. In time the radical for grain was placed below to show the steam that rises from cooking millet. What happens when you smell food cooking? Your body responds; stomach gurgles, mouth waters, etc. So something about cooking food exerted influence on you. Qi.

What is the nature of this influence? It requires that we introduce two other philosophical concepts that have been subject to ideational mutilation, Yin and Yang. We often see the simplistic folk models of Yin and Yang that are lists of things associated with the two concepts. ( Yin is feminine, cool, dark, receptive/ Yang is masculine, warm, light, creative). These lists are not strictly wrong, yet they obscure the reason the lists were made in the first place.

' Between heaven and earth are qi and it's laws' ; between Yin and Yang are Qi and it's laws'. This classic statement points to the most important aspect of Qi, it's context. So qi is the interplay of Yin and Yang. This brings us back to the nature of Yin and Yang.

Yin is the tendency of things in the universe to coalesce and slow down. Yin is the tendency to crystalization and struction. Yin is the tendacy of matter to fall down and shadows to form in opposition to light.

Yang is the tendency for things to change and become other things. The tendency to dissolve and tendency to grow. The tendency for clouds to boil and skin to tan.

All objects of sense experience are an interplay of Yin and Yang. This includes individual things as well as systems. This is why the concept of Taiji is the great terminus or the grand ultimate, because it includes all things in the universe. Yin and Yang are linked and one cannot be discussed without invoking the other. Structure cannot be divorced from function.

They stand in mutual opposition.
They are rooted in each other.
They define each others limit.
They transform into one another.

When we discuss the balance of Yin and Yang at any given moment or in any given state we are talking about Qi. It is important to understand that Yin and Yang are not absolute states of being, rather they are part of a moving frame that can applied in a variety of ways to any situation. There are many situations where the place of Yin and Yang is considered to be understood and relatively predictable so they are left out of the discussion. One of these places is in the context of the relationship between body and mind.

When we look at the basic idea of body and mind in Chinese philosophy we are talking about Jing(essense), and Shen( spirit, or summation of mental-emotional aspects of the individual). The relative interaction of Jing and Shen is the normal context for the discussion of Qi in martial arts. When someone says 'lead qi to your fingertips" the implication is to focus the mind on the fingertips to perceive the interaction between Jing and Shen at that point, hence qi. However, you could also say, ' absorb the opponents force to use their strength against them.' In this case Yin is found in the reception and relaxed connection of the defender ( song) , and the Yang is found in the aggresor's force( Li). The resulting Qi is how the interaction plays out. If the defender is subtle and skilled the qi will be the qi of a throw perhaps. If the aggressor is more subtle or skilled the result may be the qi of a successful hit.. If the aggressor is very subtle they may be able to become more Yin that the defender and so invert the frame of Yin and Yang."

Martial Arts videos. In the past it was necessary to combine Ki and spiritual training with martial arts.

Connection to the earth. Center of gravity. For sweeping the sweep digs a trench into the earth. The hips are like pendulums, connected to the ground

newbielink:http://www.brainsalad.com/mov/clip06.mov [nonactive]

Various videos around the net
newbielink:http://www.chentaichi.org/hunyuan/Videos/PosturalAdvantageWeb.mov [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.chentaichi.org/hunyuan/Videos/How3JointsWorkWeb.mov [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.chentaichi.org/hunyuan/Videos/StretchHeel1.mov [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.taiji.de/taiji/head5e_17/chensi-2.ram [nonactive]

competition
newbielink:http://www.williamccchen.com/video.htm [nonactive]

Sledge hammer! Ugh
newbielink:http://www.hsing-i.com/pics/index.html [nonactive]

Some videos at these sites
newbielink:http://www.blacktaoist.com [nonactive]

Taiji
newbielink:http://www.taijigongfu.com/gallery.html [nonactive]

Incredible vitalisation, vital energy, and health
newbielink:http://mindboxing.com/ [nonactive]

cellular joy
newbielink:http://www.taijigongfu.com/healthmartial.html [nonactive]

Anyways, that's one post I found interesting. So it sounds like one of the first classifications of Yin and Yang, supposedly had to do with sunlight vs. a shadow, or light vs, dark. This is because through history, teachers would teach mankind through oracles such as the I ching, and possibly used prisms to teach about oneness. Such as how everything is vibration , and octaves. Galaxies, stars, planets, moons, humans, light, matter, vapour, sound. The emperors had no problem with this as long as they could become immortal, lead be turned to gold, or if their futures could be predicted.

Qigong is cultivation of the mind's place in the universe, to be open to all power all creation, flowing. Buddhas, and cultivators of buddhahood do a meditation posture in which the first finger bends down to connect to the thumb, symbolising the ego's will bowing to the will of heaven. The Tao has the way of wu wei, action through non action, doing things in accordance with the eternal Tao and nature, and not through self, or the human mind's will. Jesus said you reap what you sow, but that it would be full, pressed down and overflowing. In a Path that became religous over time, there was a saying( in reference to the universal spirit), " your will be done, not mine, in me and through me", and goes on to say, " show me what I must do this day to be a channel of your blessing to all." The more consciouss of the eternal manifestiation of the great priciple, that which creates, consitutes, governs, sustains and contains all, the more in accordance to it's way and flow someone can be, in my understanding. Which can use both physical and mental activities.

I think the Taoist cultivation is quite concerned with pre natal qi-
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IMO and as I understand-

The great principle, is that which creates, constitutes, governs, sustains, and contains all within all.

There are laws of the absolute, and laws of the relative.

Absolute laws. The same law governs everything from biggest to smallest, beginning and end. Life, mind, truth, love, is all, four points of the base of a pyrymid in a specific order with spirit at the tip as one. All is vibration.

The laws of the relative are law of polarity, law of rythm, law of cause and effect, law of gender.

There is also the law of evolution, like 10 steps forwrd 9.9 steps back, SORT OF, and law of love.

There is a so called principle of inter- generation, inter-inhibition. And creation, stasis, degeneration, destruction.

Ultimately ki is related to the principle of the oldest name of God. Yod He Vau He. It is know in many cultures, Yawheh, jehova, and Ya Ho Wa Ho are afew. The interplay father, mother, son, and universal holy spirit reborn. All is vibration, and octaves of it.

Yod He Vau He
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newbielink:http://www.atlantis.to/LTA/chapter-nineteen-pg17.htm [nonactive]
metaphysics!
newbielink:http://www.atlantis.to/LTA/19.htm [nonactive]

Wu Ji, Tai Ji, Yin Yang, 8 trigrams, and Color
newbielink:http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/trigrams/archetypes.htm [nonactive]




quotes from chapters 1 and 2 of "Science of Being" by Eugene ferson

" Etenal energy, primal energy- pevading the universe, filling infinite space. If primal energy fills infinite space for one moment, it must be one with eternal space for eternity, because there is no place where it can lose itself. Therefore the basic energy of the universe is found to be infinite, and at the same time eternal. Through further investigation, it was discovered that infinite energy expesses itself in most admirable laws, sublime laws: that it shows the profoundest intelligence and logic, a self conciossness expressed in the divinest terms, laws invariable, true to themselves, mathematically correct, and above all, harmonious and beutiful.

As a result of all this reasoning, was discovered, through its first universal manifestation as primal energy, that which has always exsisted, the eternal unmanifest called god, conciouss of it's own power, law emitting, law abiding. In other words there is a Unit, a One, existing eternally, expressing itself through its creation, the universe, conciously governing it, sustaining it in a condition of eternal harmony, and loving it, for love and harmony are one. Love Is attraction.Thus science has found divinity under another name. Therefore the word "god" which would have been used in "religion", will be substituted a word having deeper meaning, covering broader ground, the word principle."

" That is the great principle is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent, The great principle has from eternity, out of itself created everything there is. It is it's own center and own circumference. The absolute is present everywhere, whether we are conciouss of it or not. That means that whenever we wish to come in contact with the great principle, we do not need to think of something far distant, unattainable. All we need to do is know the immutable fact that its first manifistation, universal energy, is always about us in full power. Therefore when anyone realises this presence conciously, there it is in its full power. We can agian make the comparisin to the ocean. We cannot say that in any one place in the ocean there is more power than in another. There is power everywhere. Whenever one wishes to contact the ocean, one has simply to dip the hand into the water and one will feel all that the ocean is, and if one puts tha hand in another part of the ocea, one will have the same results. Millions of people can do the same thing, at the same time, and they all will contact the same fullness of the ocean. So it is with the great principle. Whenever we conciously contact the absolute in its manifistation as Universal energy, there it is in all it's omnipotence, because it is all embracing. Therefore it is not correct, as we find in literature, to imagine that there is somewhere in the universe a center of powers and forces from which all forces radiate, acting most strongly on those things which are nearest and more feebly on those farthest away"

"" Primal energy, as was explained in the first lesson, is the fundamental force of the universe. It underlies, pervades, and sustains everything, fills all space, endures throughout eternity, and is the source of all power. It is indeed the very life of the universe. As such, it is in perpetual motion, expressing itself through what are called vibrations

In the absolute there is only one kind of vibration, the spiritual. In The present state of human concioussness those spiritual vibrations appear as a three fold ray

1. Life or magnetic vibrations
2.mind vibrations
3.soul vibrations"



" And each kind of vibration is expessing itsef in a different way, which conforms to it's own particular laws"

" Life vibrations are also called magnetic vibrations, because they possess two primary qualites, motion and attraction. In the practical application, those qualities are continually used in oreder to obtain the desired results. Magnetic vibrations are essentailly importan because they not only permeate the whole universe and underlie everything, but because they constitute the very element out of which our bodies and the whole visible universe is made. The great practical value of those Life Vibrations is that we do not need concentration or strong mental effort to contact them. All we need to do is to become concious of their continual flow into us, and thus establish the so called contact. No matter what we do, be it physical, mental, or emotional activity, we should never use our own very limited supply of life enrgy. THis must be the cardinal point to be remebered."


" The question may arise, why is it necessary to make contactwith the universal life energy? Are we not in direct and constant communication with it at all times? Yes, but we are not concious of it. On the contrary, we conciously beleive we are independant of it, that we have a life force of our own. We think we are seperate from all power. Therefore we need to reestblish on the mental plane that which was lost there, though we never lost that contact on the spiritual plane."

" There are different methods of contacting Primal energy. The easiest and the simplest way is through mental contact. In order to do it, we must relax completely as we can, physically, mentally, emotionally. And when we feel harmony within us then we must say to ourslves " I am one with the universal life energy it is flowing through me now, I feel it"


"In order to overcome that difficulty and enable everybody, even the most skeptical and timid, to make successful that conciouss contact with the universal life energy, there is another method of pure physical contact, based on pure physical laws. That second method has this advantage over the mental one, that it does not require any faith in it. It works for the reason that the physical laws are put into operation, and the physical contact with the universal energy is made, not because we think it or want it, but because we cannot help it."

" Yet if we do not think about it, it still will work, because of the aforesaid reasons. The second, the physical method, is based on a certain exercise called the star exercise"

" The heart situated on the left side of the body, is not only the central pumping station which takes in and sends out blood, but also is the apparatus which sucks in and pours out universal life energy"

That is from the book " Science of being" written by Eugene ferson in 1920s.
newbielink:http://www.atlantis.to/books/Peniel's-books.htm [nonactive]

Here is the Star exercise to develop qi flowing inwards as well as outwards together. And to store/charge/refine as well as refine the energy vibration of the energy body. It is in fact the original Ki or Yoga technique
newbielink:http://www.meditation-techniques.net/meditations/starexercise.htm [nonactive]




 The perfect condition is inflowing and outflowing cultivation at the same time. Some qigong starts by connecting to the universe, through the palms, feet, ba hui, or even fingers in mudra positions( fingers are like antennas). Some qigong is very concerned with inward cultivation and sealing the senses, cultivating lotus position and pointing fingers inwards towards the wrists like a hollow fist or hands at dantien. But I think perhaps cultivating lotus position, with energy flowing out the hands is a more advanced posture.

Qi practices also circulate energy and connect flows and acupoints, this is why if you bend forward you will next bend back, if you open you will next close.

The way the Earth's magnetic field is drawn now in modern times, looks almost exactly like how the energy of the human body was pictured and trained in ancient times. Ancient practices face south often too. Also ancient burials in different cultures are along north/South axis. It goes in through the center and out around both sides at different distances and cycles



newbielink:http://members.fortunecity.com/anemaw/biomagnetism.htm [nonactive]
That article also talks about how animals sense the earth's magnetic field, such as how birds sense the field with the Pineal body, to navigate flight.

The heart's electromagnetic field for that matter


Pineal
newbielink:http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html [nonactive]


Some Psychic phenomena has been shown to exist-
newbielink:http://anson.ucdavis.edu/~utts/air2.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/psi/delanoy/delanoy.html [nonactive]

An actual explanation of exactly how humans evolved and were created in all aspects. On the internet

newbielink:http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce03.html [nonactive]

newbielink:http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/juliet.htm [nonactive]

Interesting ancient finds from around the world

newbielink:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/992589/posts [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmar5i.htm [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmar6i.htm [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.crystalinks.com/pyramidchina.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/underwater/yonaguni.htm [nonactive]
newbielink:http://eaglesdisobey.org/UnderwaterRuins.htm [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.tmeg.com/artifacts/elect/a_elect.htm [nonactive]

Even National Geographic admits prehistoric civilization are submerged under the sea
newbielink:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0528_020528_sunkencities.html [nonactive]

Atlantis
newbielink:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4011545.stm [nonactive]

Info
newbielink:http://www.nii.net/~obie/historygold.htm [nonactive]

High level, perhaps dangerous level power, terra forming?
newbielink:http://www.s8int.com/water1.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.ambergriscaye.com/pages/town/greatbluehole.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2003/4/28/1582.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.s8int.com/atomic1.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.s8int.com/atomic2.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://ufoevidence.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=MYTH&action=display&num=1057134096 [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/galleries/belize/photo2.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue18/18bermuda.html [nonactive]

The past goes back along ways, Columbus was not the first here
newbielink:http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/mexico/2.htm [nonactive]

newbielink:http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0923/p13s01-stgn.html [nonactive]

Underground tunnels are mentioned in many supposed unrelated teachings. Such as the DSS and Hopi prophecy
newbielink:http://www.marsearthconnection.com/etot3.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.crystalinks.com/pyramidchina.html [nonactive]

Redating the sphinx-
newbielink:http://members.aol.com/davidpb4/sphinx1.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.lyghtforce.com/Giza/ [nonactive]

Underground pictures. Under every layer is a deeper level, Hall of Records, Perhaps Thoths Chamber or SHip-
newbielink:http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/HO-OSIRIS.html [nonactive]


Magaliths submerged under the sea off of Cuba

Internal Cross


24 miles across terra forming

up close, unidentified line


Belize

Map



CHinese and Tibetan Pyramid. Kunlun mountains area, between China and Tibet


I remeber seeing on a show something about the layout of the places where the pyramids were built on different continents, Egypt and mexico ,being 1 100th of the earths suface, perhaps using earth meridians, no one knew for sure

Egypt


Global Mythology
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newbielink:http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html [nonactive]
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newbielink:http://www.geocities.com/medea19777/minotaur.html [nonactive]

Thoth was the top Egyptian God, but actually an Atlantean. He was Hermes, Jesus Christ, Adam in other lives. After the destruction of Atlantis he and his soul mate Atlanteans went around the world, to Egypt, south america, yucutan, and finally Tibet. He and Atlanteans set up proper monastaries for cultivation, and helped raise all kindred human spirits trapped in this plane, to at least the current human body level and the current human body was established I beleive. He put the knowledge and mysteries of enlightenment into secret oracles such as the Tarot card, making it hard to understand by many people, and only the most sinscere would find the way. In this way the skills, methods, and teachings of Atlantis could be preserved until today.
newbielink:http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald14bw.html [nonactive]

"Preserve them and guard them,
hide them in symbols,
so the profane will laugh and renounce.
In every land, form ye the mysteries.
Make the way hard for the seeker to tread.

Thus will the weak and the wavering be rejected.
Thus will the secrets be hidden and guarded,
held till the time when the wheel shall be turned."

newbielink:http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html [nonactive]

"Now give I the Key to Shamballa,
the place where my Brothers live in the darkness:
Darkness but filled with Light of the Sun
ODarkness of Earth, but Light of the Spirit,
guides for ye when my day is done."
newbielink:http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald15bw.html [nonactive]

many ki practices originate from Tibetan mountains and even  the Shargung La area in Tibet
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So atlantis and ancient civilisations were destroyed, but some remnants of the culture remained. The knowledge had to be kept hidden to kings and emperors while the people with the knowledge could still work in society, either teaching about spirituality, or working to improve the world in other ways. "Gypsies" had the tarot card, which start and end with the fool card, a fool for the universal will. The Kaballah is also related as well as the I ching.
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"This rare cut shows the name of God in seventy-two languages inscribed upon the petals of a symbolic sunflower. Above the circle are the seventy-two powers of God according to the Hebrew Kabbalah. Below are two trees, that on the left bearing the symbols of the planets and that on the right the signs of the zodiac and the names of the tribes of Israel. The esoteric doctrines of the Kabbalah are in alignment with the secret teachings of all the schools of philosophy, but the method by which its secrets are revealed to the wise and concealed from the ignorant is most unusual."

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The Math of the the Egyptian God THoth. It is similar to Chinese philosophy. Thoth was an Atlantean.

newbielink:http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/eghier.html [nonactive]


Math and structure of the microcosm of the sub atomic realm
newbielink:http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~js/21st_century_science/lectures/lec16.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://faculty.clintoncc.suny.edu/faculty/Michael.Gregory/files/Bio%20101/Bio%20101%20Lectures/Chemistry/chemistr.htm [nonactive]
newbielink:http://chikungintl.com/+-trigramcl.jpg [nonactive]

A page with info about the Tarot- newbielink:http://www.crystalinks.com/tarot.html [nonactive]


Ancient spiritual groups in the past
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Essenes



























Actual historical acount by a scholar from the time of the Essenes. Doesn't mean everything is exactly accurate, but these historians lived in the same time period
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newbielink:http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/JDTABOR/DSSEssay.htm [nonactive]


Some cool video clips here from 1700 year old qigong from China and Tibet
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newbielink:http://www.possiblesociety.org/dayanqigong.htm [nonactive]



ki practice is ancient and prehistoric culture.

Check out how similar the Dayan qigong posture at the very bottom of this page, is to Yoga
newbielink:http://dayan.oompa.net/qigong-syllabus.html [nonactive]


And 18 Lohan hands are similar to Yoga
newbielink:http://wongkk.com/chikung/lohan.html [nonactive]

Saluting the Sun, Chinese style


Yoga
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newbielink:http://www.atlantis.to/Products/about-tibetan-yoga.htm [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.yoga-tibet.com/index.html [nonactive]




Qigong
newbielink:http://dayan.oompa.net/qigong-syllabus.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://dayan.oompa.net/qigong.html [nonactive]

newbielink:http://www.qinway.org/founder.htm [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.qinway.org/au1.html [nonactive]

newbielink:http://www.falundafa.org/eng/media.htm [nonactive]



Hopi prophecy
newbielink:http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.clearwisdom.net/eng/2000/nov/20/scf112000_1.html [nonactive]

newbielink:http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2000/11/21/6096.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.rexresearch.com/usa/usaproph.htm#us7 [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.think-aboutit.com/Misc/Grandcanyon.html [nonactive]

Interesting article newbielink:http://www.think-aboutit.com/Misc/Grandcanyon.html [nonactive]

Different cultural practices more related than thought? Throughout history?

newbielink:http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/illnesswellness/a/YogaPrayer.htm [nonactive]

more "Modern" history
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 Painting qigong?
newbielink:http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=588&art_id=vn20050112065132853C559183 [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.buddhanet.net/budart.htm [nonactive]

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Re: How did the study of Ki develop? Past and futur
« Reply #1 on: 05/05/2005 04:31:57 »
Current times and future of KI

The SPiritual teachings for the current times can be found in the book " The Children of the Law of One and the Lost teachings of Atlantis."

newbielink:http://www.atlantis.to/LTA/free-online-chapters.htm [nonactive]

newbielink:http://www.atlantis.to/LTA/tableofcontents.htm [nonactive]

There were many prophecies in the past about the current age. Many qigong methods were to be kept absolutely secret until this millenium.
newbielink:http://www.keysofenoch.org/html/giza_update.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.lyghtforce.com/Giza/ [nonactive]

True prohecy concerning right here right now, the current time
newbielink:http://www.think-aboutit.com/Spiritual/edgar_cayce.htm [nonactive]

History to repeat itself?
newbielink:http://www.climatehotmap.org/ [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.ucsusa.org/global_environment/global_warming/index.cfm [nonactive]

more on how prophecy is not abslolute, if righteous beings come, and are one with Divine Law, some disasters can be postponed lessened or eliminated

newbielink:http://wrightworld.net/edgar.htm [nonactive]

Falun Dafa is a great cultivation path, being severely persecuted in China
newbielink:http://clearwisdom.net/emh/index.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.faluninfo.net/ [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.faluninfo.net/torturemethods2/ [nonactive]
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burned by hot irons

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Report from amnesty

Members of unofficial spiritual or religious groups, including some Qi Gong groups and unregistered Christian groups, continued to be arbitrarily detained, tortured and ill-treated.

Rhetoric intensified in the official media against the Falun Gong spiritual movement, which was banned as a ¡°heretical organization¡± in July 1999, apparently exacerbating the climate of violence and intolerance against the Falun Gong. Detained Falun Gong practitioners, including large numbers of women, were at risk of torture, including sexual abuse, particularly if they refused to renounce their beliefs. According to overseas Falun Gong sources, more than 800 people detained in connection with the Falun Gong had died since 1999, mostly as a result of torture or ill-treatment.

Deng Shiying reportedly died on 19 July, the day after her release from Jilin Women¡¯s Prison in Changchun City, Jilin Province, where she was serving a seven-year prison sentence in connection with producing and distributing information describing human rights violations against Falun Gong practitioners in China. According to Falun Gong sources, she was beaten by other inmates, apparently prompted by prison officials, shortly before her release.

Whole article here:
newbielink:http://web.amnesty.org/report2004/chn-summary-eng [nonactive]

After the immolation incident occurred on January 23, 2001, the Chinese Government's mouthpiece, Xinhua News Agency, immediately published a report on the incident entirely blaming Falun Gong practitioners for the immolation. This was in stark contrast to the way news is usually handled in China, where lower-level officials report to their superiors and so on until the top officials allow the news to be published. Soon after the news was released, the Falun Dafa Information Center in New York published a press release on the morning of January 23 (US eastern time) condemning the Xinhua News Agency for spreading unfounded, defamatory claims about Falun Gong. It also called on the PRC regime to allow the world media and international human rights groups to investigate this case to clarify the facts.

A week later, CCTV, the Chinese Central Government's official TV station, broadcasted heartbreaking pictures of the 12-year-old Liu Siying, who was severely burned. Her mother Liu Chunling died from the self-immolation. The government is intensifying the campaign against Falun Gong by forcing every citizen to sign a form condemning Falun Gong. They are using the pictures of Liu Siying to instigate the public's hatred towards Falun Gong, causing the Chinese people to fight amongst themselves. This kind of inciting the people to fight against each other was one of the main tactics used in the Cultural Revolution in China decades ago.

On February 4, 2001, Washington Post published a stunning front-page investigative report entitled: "Human Fire Ignites Chinese Mystery -- Motive for Public Burning Intensifies Fight Over Falun Gong." The article provided several facts including the following:

newbielink:http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/special_column/self-immolation.html [nonactive]

Quote Li Hongzhi
Some Thoughts of Mine

"Recently it was reported in the news that Mainland China seeks my extradition back to China in exchange for a reduction of USD$500 million worth of their trade surplus [with the U.S.]. I would like to say a few words about this. I only teach people to be good. At the same time, I unconditionally help people get rid of their diseases and health problems, and I enable them to
reach higher realms of mind. I don’t charge any money or ask for material things as reward.
All of this has had a positive impact on the society and its people, and it has, on a large scale,
turned people’s hearts towards goodness and made their moral level high. I wonder if that is
why they seek to extradite me. Do they want me to return to China so that more people can
obtain the Fa and cultivate their hearts? If that’s the case, please don’t let the country lose
USD$500 million to strike a deal—I can go back myself.
I have heard, however, that normally people who are extradited are war criminals,
public enemies, or criminal offenders. If so, I wonder which of the above categories I would
fit into.
In fact, I keep teaching people to conduct themselves with Truthfulness, Benevolence,
and Forbearance as their guiding principles. So naturally, I have also been setting an example.
When Falun Gong disciples and I have been criticized for no reason and treated unfairly, we
have always displayed breadth of mind with great benevolence and great forbearance, and
have silently endured everything in order to give the government sufficient time to find out
what we are about. But this forbearance is absolutely not because the students of Falun Gong
and I fear anything. You should know that once a person learns the truth and the real meaning
of life, he will not regret giving up his life for it. Don’t mistake our mercy or our great
tolerance as fear and thereby intensify your reckless actions. These are actually people who
have awakened, they are cultivators who have learned the true meaning of life. And don’t
label Falun Gong cultivators as engaging in “superstition,” either. There are so many things
that human beings and science have yet to understand. Don’t religions also exist because of a
belief in higher beings? Actually, the true religions and ancient beliefs in Gods, which have
made it possible for the morality of human society to endure for several thousand years, are
what has allowed for the existence of today’s mankind—which includes you, me, the next
person, and so on. If it weren’t for these, mankind would have committed sins long ago that
led to catastrophes, people’s ancestral lines probably would have died out long ago, and there
wouldn’t be what there is today. The truth is, morality is extremely important for mankind. If
man does not value virtue, he is capable of doing all kinds of bad things, which is terribly
dangerous for mankind. This much I can tell people. Actually, my intention isn’t to do
something for society, and by no means do I want to get involved in ordinary human affairs,
much less do I desire someone’s political power. Not everyone considers power that
important. Don’t people have a saying, “Everybody aspires to something different”? I merely
wish to let those who can do cultivation obtain the Fa, and to teach them how to truly improve
their xinxing, that is, to improve their moral standard. Besides, not everyone will come to
learn Falun Gong, and furthermore, what I’m doing is bound to have no connection with
politics. Regardless, cultivators whose hearts have turned toward goodness and whose morals
have improved are good for any country or nationality. How could something that helps
people to get well and stay healthy, and that raises people’s moral level, be labeled an “evil
religion”? Every Falun Gong practitioner is a member of society, and each has his own job or

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career. It’s only that they go to the park to do Falun Gong exercises for half an hour or an
hour every morning, and then they go to work. We don’t have various provisions that people
have to follow, as religions do, nor do we have any temples, churches, or religious rituals.
People can come to learn or leave as they please, and we have no membership rosters. How is
it a religion? As to “evil,” could teaching people to be good, not charging people money, and
doing things to heal people and help them stay healthy be categorized as “evil”? Or, is
something “evil” simply because it’s outside the scope of the Communist Party’s theories?
Besides, I know that evil religion is evil religion, and it’s not something a government
determines. Should an evil religion be labeled “upright” if it’s in keeping with the notions of
certain people in the government? And should an upright one be labeled “evil” if it doesn’t
conform to their personal notions?
Actually, I know perfectly well why some people are bent on opposing Falun Gong.
Just as reported by the media, there are too many people practicing Falun Gong. One hundred
million people is indeed no small number. Yet why should having a large number of good
people be feared? Isn’t it true that the more good people there are, the better, and that the fewer the bad people, the better? I, Li Hongzhi, unconditionally help cultivators improve their morals and gain health, which brings about social stability and allows people to better serve the society with their able bodies. Isn’t this benefiting the people in power? These things have, in fact, truly been achieved. Why is it that instead of thanking me, they want to set as
many as 100 million people against the government? What government could be so unfathomable? Furthermore, who among these 100 million people doesn’t have family, children, relatives, and friends? Is it a question of only 100 million people? So the number of people they are going against might be even more. What on earth has happened to “the leaders of my beloved land”? If with my, Li Hongzhi’s, life I can dispel their fears of these good people, I will immediately go back and let them do what they will. Why “risk universal condemnation,” waste manpower and capital, and use politics and money to pursue a deal that
violates human rights? The United States, on the other hand, has been a leader in respecting human rights. So would the U.S. government betray human rights to make such a deal?Besides, I’m a U.S. permanent resident, a permanent resident who lives under the jurisdiction
of U.S. law.
I don’t mean to point fingers at anyone in particular. It’s just that what they are doing makes too little sense to me. Why forgo a good opportunity to win public opinion, and instead set some 100 million people against the government?
It’s said that many people went to Zhongnanhai,1 and that certain people were shocked and furious about it. In fact, the number of people who went wasn’t large at all. Think about
it: there are 100 million people practicing Falun Gong, and only ten thousand plus went—
could you say that’s a lot? There was no need to mobilize people: with 100 million some people, if one person wanted to go and so did the next, in no time there would be over ten
thousand people. They had no slogans or banners, they didn’t act out of line, and much less
were they against the government. They merely wanted to report our situation to the
government. What’s wrong with doing that? Let me ask this: would any “protestors” behave
as well as this? Aren’t you moved even one bit when you see this? Yet you insist on trying to
1 Zhongnanhai (jong-nahn-high)—the Chinese leadership compound, located in Beijing; it is located next to the
Appeals Office of the State Council. This reference is about the April 25, 1999 appeal.
* Note: This and all other footnotes have been inserted by the translator and are not part of the original text.
find some fault with Falun Gong. But the approach of trying to eradicate Falun Gong while disregarding all of its merits is really backward. Falun Gong isn’t terrible, like certain people have imagined. Rather, it brings numerous benefits and doesn’t do harm to any society. Losing the favor of the people, meanwhile, is what’s most frightening. To be honest, the students of Falun Gong are also human beings who are in the process of cultivating themselves, and they still have human minds. In this situation where they are being treated unjustly, I’m not sure how much longer they can forbear it, and this is what I am most
concerned about.
Li Hongzhi
June 2, 1999

It is totally free. Everything to get started can be got free off the internet.
newbielink:http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/Instruction_01.ram [nonactive]
newbielink:http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/Instruction_02.ram [nonactive]
newbielink:http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/Instruction_03.ram [nonactive]
newbielink:http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/Instruction_04.ram [nonactive]
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newbielink:http://www.falundafa.org/eng/index.htm [nonactive]

Falun Dafa: A Brief Introduction

Falun Gong (also called Falun Dafa) is an ancient form of qigong, the practice of refining the body and mind through special exercises and meditation. Like tai chi, qigong is a vital part of many people's lives in Asia; almost every Chinese park is brimming by the break of dawn with people practicing these arts.

In just eight years since its public introduction, Falun Dafa has grown to become the most popular form of qigong ever in Chinese history. The major reason for this is that Falun Dafa distinguishes itself from other qigong practices by emphasizing not only physical cultivation, but also cultivation of one's moral character in daily life according to higher principles taught by Mr. Li Hongzhi, Falun Dafa's founder.

Falun Dafa's effectiveness in improving health and its profound principles have quickly made the practice immensely popular throughout the entire world. Since being introduced to the general public in 1992 by Mr. Li, Falun Dafa has attracted tens of millions of people in over 40 countries. Most major cities and universities in the United States, Canada, Australia, and Europe have English-speaking Falun Dafa practice groups.

The people who practice Falun Dafa come from every imaginable walk of life, as Falun Dafa transcends cultural, social, economic, and national boundaries. The practice has spread largely by word of mouth, as those who learn it usually find the benefits simply too good to keep to themselves.

more here: newbielink:http://falundafa.org/eng/overview.htm [nonactive]

Here are some interesting books about peoples experiences with the practice
newbielink:http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/download/publications/enlighten_index.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/download/publications/health_index.html [nonactive]
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Here is a very interesting article- newbielink:http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-16/24972.html [nonactive]

Also a good article- newbielink:http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2004/5/5/47735.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://web.amnesty.org/report2004/chn-summary-eng [nonactive]

Info on the Falun pattern
newbielink:http://www.falundafa.org/intro/0-falun.htm [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.falundafa.org/intro/0-falun.htm [nonactive]

All is vibration, with the nature of truthfullness, compassion, and tolerance
newbielink:http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/Instruction.ram [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.falundafa.org/eng/media.htm [nonactive]

Here are the main study books of Falun Dafa, then include alot of info on the supernormal, psychic etc.
newbielink:http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.htm [nonactive]

Turning the Law wheel, great LAw book
newbielink:http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/zfl_new.html [nonactive]

The same beings which destroyed Atlantis, and the past humans in the past cycle, are now controlling and are part of, the CHinese Communist Party
newbielink:http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2000/11/5/9115.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2002/5/20/22253.html [nonactive]

PRophecy of the book of Revelation is indeed refering to now, and the situation in CHina
newbielink:http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2002/7/27/1094.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2002/7/29/1095.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2003/10/6/1873.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2004/6/28/2369.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2005/1/24/2731.html [nonactive]

The coming of an important eastern messenger is predicted by Nostradamus
newbielink:http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2005/3/28/2865.html [nonactive]

The article also mentions Hermes, A high Greek God. He was also Thoth, the top Egyptian God.

Book of Revelations
newbielink:http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/KjvReve.html [nonactive]

Edgar Cayce's take on Revelation and Prophecy is very similar
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