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QotW - 09.03.01 - Google Power
« on: 24/02/2009 16:40:13 »
How much energy is used when you do a Google search?
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« Reply #1 on: 24/02/2009 16:40:13 »
We put this to Eric Teetzel, Program Manager for RE(less than)C at Google:
RE(less than)C is an initiative that we started to advance technology and renewable energy, to make it cost competitive with fossil fuel power generation.  We’ve done the calculations internally and I think anybody that’s tried to do carbon accounting understands there’s a lot of complications and nuance.  The basic premise is that one Google search uses about 0.0003KWh worth of electricity.  That’s ± some and that then translates, based on emissions load, into somewhere around 0.2g of CO2 per search that we answer.  To actually do the things that we do all of our online services require machines.  Those machines are basically all housed in facilities we call data centres.  Those machines are typically servers and networking equipment.  The way in which we do the energy calculation per query – we look at not just the exact machines that touched the query as it comes in our data centre but we also look at allocating networking routing costs as well as what we would call just ‘overhead.’  It takes energy to build the index to be able to effectively answer the query as they come in.  We also allocate those costs across all of our search presence. That’s how we come up with the number of 0.2g per search or 0.0003kWh worth of electricity.
 

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QotW - 09.03.01 - Google Power
« Reply #2 on: 24/02/2009 21:07:55 »
I can't remember the answers, but someone came up with a figure which was bandied around in the press about 6 weeks ago - and looked absurdly high. A few days later Google released its own estimate which was something like 100x less than the previous figure - and felt more realistic.

Take the total power used by Google's servers (or whole business if you like) and divide by the number of searches. Presumably you want to apportion the "idle time" between searches also to a search? Or not?


A vastly greater energy must be consumed by all the people across the world who now stay up later, with their computers, lights and heating on doing the "Googling" and surfing when a few years ago they'd have been tucked up in bed using very little energy!
 

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« Reply #3 on: 24/02/2009 23:51:36 »
I can't remember the answers, but someone came up with a figure which was bandied around in the press about 6 weeks ago - and looked absurdly high. A few days later Google released its own estimate which was something like 100x less than the previous figure - and felt more realistic.

This was first reported in The Times:
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article5489134.ece

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From The Sunday TimesJanuary 11, 2009

Revealed: the environmental impact of Google searches
New research lifts lid on links between CO2 emissions and internet searchesJonathan Leake and Richard Woods
Alex Wissner-Gross decribes his research in detail | Google's response to the story

Clarification added 16th January: A report about online energy consumption (Google and you'll damage the planet, Jan 11) said that "performing two Google searches from a desktop computer can generate about the same amount of carbon dioxide as boiling a kettle" or about 7g of CO2 per search. We are happy to make clear that this does not refer to a one-hit Google search taking less than a second, which Google says produces about 0.2g of CO2, a figure we accept. In the article, we were referring to a Google search that may involve several attempts to find the object being sought and that may last for several minutes. Various experts put forward carbon emission estimates for such a search of 1g-10g depending on the time involved and the equipment used

Performing two Google searches from a desktop computer can generate about the same amount of carbon dioxide as boiling a kettle for a cup of tea, according to new research.

While millions of people tap into Google without considering the environment, a typical search generates about 7g of CO2 Boiling a kettle generates about 15g. “Google operates huge data centres around the world that consume a great deal of power,” said Alex Wissner-Gross, a Harvard University physicist whose research on the environmental impact of computing is due out soon. “A Google search has a definite environmental impact.”

Google is secretive about its energy consumption and carbon footprint. It also refuses to divulge the locations of its data centres. However, with more than 200m internet searches estimated globally daily, the electricity consumption and greenhouse gas emissions caused by computers and the internet is provoking concern. A recent report by Gartner, the industry analysts, said the global IT industry generated as much greenhouse gas as the world’s airlines - about 2% of global CO2 emissions. “Data centres are among the most energy-intensive facilities imaginable,” said Evan Mills, a scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California. Banks of servers storing billions of web pages require power.

Though Google says it is in the forefront of green computing, its search engine generates high levels of CO2 because of the way it operates. When you type in a Google search for, say, “energy saving tips”, your request doesn’t go to just one server. It goes to several competing against each other.

It may even be sent to servers thousands of miles apart. Google’s infrastructure sends you data from whichever produces the answer fastest. The system minimises delays but raises energy consumption. Google has servers in the US, Europe, Japan and China.

Wissner-Gross has submitted his research for publication by the US Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers and has also set up a website www.CO2stats.com. “Google are very efficient but their primary concern is to make searches fast and that means they have a lot of extra capacity that burns energy,” he said.

Google said: “We are among the most efficient of all internet search providers.”

Wissner-Gross has also calculated the CO2 emissions caused by individual use of the internet. His research indicates that viewing a simple web page generates about 0.02g of CO2 per second. This rises tenfold to about 0.2g of CO2 a second when viewing a website with complex images, animations or videos.

A separate estimate from John Buckley, managing director of carbonfootprint.com, a British environmental consultancy, puts the CO2 emissions of a Google search at between 1g and 10g, depending on whether you have to start your PC or not. Simply running a PC generates between 40g and 80g per hour, he says. of CO2 Chris Goodall, author of Ten Technologies to Save the Planet, estimates the carbon emissions of a Google search at 7g to 10g (assuming 15 minutes’ computer use).

Nicholas Carr, author of The Big Switch, Rewiring the World, has calculated that maintaining a character (known as an avatar) in the Second Life virtual reality game, requires 1,752 kilowatt hours of electricity per year. That is almost as much used by the average Brazilian.

“It’s not an unreasonable comparison,” said Liam Newcombe, an expert on data centres at the British Computer Society. “It tells us how much energy westerners use on entertainment versus the energy poverty in some countries.”

Though energy consumption by computers is growing - and the rate of growth is increasing - Newcombe argues that what matters most is the type of usage.

If your internet use is in place of more energy-intensive activities, such as driving your car to the shops, that’s good. But if it is adding activities and energy consumption that would not otherwise happen, that may pose problems.

Newcombe cites Second Life and Twitter, a rapidly growing website whose 3m users post millions of messages a month. Last week Stephen Fry, the TV presenter, was posting “tweets” from New Zealand, imparting such vital information as “Arrived in Queenstown. Hurrah. Full of bungy jumping and ‘activewear’ shops”, and “Honestly. NZ weather makes UK look stable and clement”.

Jonathan Ross was Twittering even more, with posts such as “Am going to muck out the pigs. It will be cold, but I’m not the type to go on about it” and “Am now back indoors and have put on fleecy tracksuit and two pairs of socks”. Ross also made various “tweets” trying to ascertain whether Jeremy Clarkson was a Twitter user or not. Yesterday the Top Gear presenter cleared up the matter, saying: “I am not a twit. And Jonathan Ross is.”

Such internet phenomena are not simply fun and hot air, Newcombe warns: the boom in such services has a carbon cost.

Then Google responded:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/fresh-greens/2009/1/13/google-dispels-energy-usage-claims.html?s_cid=rss:fresh-greens:google-dispels-energy-usage-claims

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Google Dispels Energy Usage Claims
January 13, 2009 02:08 PM ET | Maura Judkis | Permanent Link | Print
A story in the UK's Times Online set the green blogosphere ablaze with a simple statistic: Physicist Alex Wissner-Gross said that a single Google search emitted seven grams of CO2. Like many other bloggers, I wrote about the findings, and included a few eco-friendly search alternatives.

Google has since disputed the claim. According to the Google blog, one google search releases 0.2 grams of CO2, instead - a huge difference.  Here's what Google has to say:

We thought it would be helpful to explain why this number is *many* times too high. Google is fast — a typical search returns results in less than 0.2 seconds. Queries vary in degree of difficulty, but for the average query, the servers it touches each work on it for just a few thousandths of a second. Together with other work performed before your search even starts (such as building the search index) this amounts to 0.0003 kWh of energy per search, or 1 kJ. For comparison, the average adult needs about 8000 kJ a day of energy from food, so a Google search uses just about the same amount of energy that your body burns in ten seconds.

So, how could Wissner-Gross' calculations have been so wrong? Well, he's now claiming he never made them in the first place - though the Times has not posted a correction on the story.

"For some reason, in their story on the study, the Times had an ax to grind with Google," Wissner-Gross told TechNewsWorld. "Our work has nothing to do with Google. Our focus was exclusively on the Web overall, and we found that it takes on average about 20 milligrams of CO2 per second to visit a Web site."

And the example involving tea kettles? "They did that. I have no idea where they got those statistics," Wissner-Gross said.

Another story about the dispute says that Wissner-Gross said he did discuss Google with the paper, but only in broad generalizations.

Readers also pointed out to me that the study's numbers seemed impossibly high. One reader, noting the eco-friendly search alternatives listed, however, had a succinct opinion. From John of Indiana:

"Either continue to use a search engine that (regardless of whether or not the contribution is significant) does release carbon, or use a similar search engine AND help contribute to improving our state of existence on this planet."


 

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« Reply #4 on: 25/02/2009 00:06:49 »
I know this isn't a very scientific reply but I find it hard to believe that is how much power is used. I could justify having a shower every day on that basis considering how many searches I do.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 26/02/2009 20:27:53 »
All these people googling to come with an answer can't have done much for the environment!
 

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« Reply #6 on: 27/02/2009 12:20:44 »
To have this topic resemble anything like a balance, the Google method should be compared to the energy input needed to have knowledge shared in the pre-electronic/digital era.
I feel that the chopping down of trees, production of ink, smelting of metal to manufacture printing presses etc. won't come to seem very efficient.
Just a thought.....
 

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« Reply #7 on: 28/02/2009 20:24:08 »
I was just going to say - I wonder how much energy has gone into researching this answer...?
 

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« Reply #8 on: 12/03/2009 20:52:19 »
the number cited by BBC is 0.0003 kWh instead of 0.3 kwH per search. 0.3kwH is definitely too high.
 

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