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Offline A Davis

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« on: 06/03/2009 16:32:49 »
The Moon has no spin it's value is zero. The same result is in spherical Harmonics for n=1 and in QUANTUM MECHANICS FOR THE FIRST ELECTRON IN THE BOHR ORBIT S = 0 (zero intrinsic spin) The same result for Mercury (first join) the first moon of Mars ( first join) and the first moon of Jupiter, and so on.
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« Reply #1 on: 06/03/2009 17:30:33 »
Last time you suggested this, you were told that you were talking "Complete Rubbish".  No one leapt to your defence, and you did not explain yourself. Why should this time be any different?

I've got no clue with quantum physics, but the evidence points to the fact that the moon does indeed spin, which makes your comment seem like "complete rubbish" to me.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 06/03/2009 17:37:29 »
Think about it, if the moon doesn't spin, how do you explain the fact that we can only ever see the one side of the moon, yet it is orbiting the Earth.

It's really quite simple, forget QUANTUM MECHANICS or quantum anything else for that matter.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 06/03/2009 18:36:02 »
Huh?  You just listed two laws and didn't even integrate the variables to prove your hypothesis... ???

That's like saying the reason why it's hot during summer is because x = bx^2.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 06/03/2009 19:08:44 »
The Moon has no spin it's value is zero. The same result is in spherical Harmonics for n=1 and in QUANTUM MECHANICS FOR THE FIRST ELECTRON IN THE BOHR ORBIT S = 0 (zero intrinsic spin) The same result for Mercury (first join) the first moon of Mars ( first join) and the first moon of Jupiter, and so on.
Hi A Davis; I think you must have eaten too many green apples :)
 

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« Reply #5 on: 07/03/2009 00:27:40 »
Simple the space station doesn't spin so we always see the same side of it.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 07/03/2009 11:15:54 »
That means it isn't in orbit. How can that be? Sort out your geometry and your logic before you hold forth on these matters.
Do you not realise that Nelson's Column spins about a polar axis once every day?
« Last Edit: 07/03/2009 11:17:52 by sophiecentaur »
 

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« Reply #7 on: 07/03/2009 11:45:35 »
I do know something of Quantum Physics, and can say with absolute certain: 'What the green apples is this rubbish?'

Not enough proof to assert this theory
 

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« Reply #8 on: 10/03/2009 16:03:28 »
I agree that there isn't enough evidence to confirm the theory, yet, but don't you find it interesting that there is no spin orbit interaction in the 1S orbit (ground state)(l=0,s=0), but there is in the second orbit 2P orbit (l=2, s=1/2,-1/2). I was hoping someone would look at mercury.

I thought the Moon was made of cheese, it's not a green apple.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 10/03/2009 17:56:32 »

I thought the Moon was made of cheese, it's not a green apple.

Now you are contradicting another well known fact.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 10/03/2009 20:49:03 »

I thought the Moon was made of cheese, it's not a green apple.

Now you are contradicting another well known fact.

LOL

A Davis, prove to us that Mercury or the Moon has no spin.  Remember, as you are the one who presented the theory, it is on you to prove it.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 11/03/2009 00:22:57 »
When you look at mercury I will reply in full.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 11/03/2009 03:06:32 »
He's right. I just dropped an energy saving lightbulb on the floor & the mercury that came out didn't spin!  [:0]
 

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« Reply #13 on: 11/03/2009 03:35:29 »
... why're we applying QUANTUM mechanics to a MACROSCOPIC system?

Though by right it should work, it's very counter intuitive to say that the moon does not spin. Relative to something, maybe not but on an absolute scale it must spin. So I guess it depends on definition?
 

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« Reply #14 on: 11/03/2009 05:11:47 »
Actually, the ground state is l=0, m=0, s=1/2.  But hey, that's probably for the best, since the moon is actually spinning.  Does this mean that if we shine some photons on the moon, we can get it to jump into a higher energy orbital?  I'm hoping for this one
 

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« Reply #15 on: 11/03/2009 23:26:07 »
To JP, I don't agree with your s=1/2 value, name the spin orbit correction for this result. On the second part how big a laser do you have it would need to be 1038 joules. Nice diagram but what does it mean.
The books on planets use the word synchronous spin for a moon that always faces a planet, I prefer the word no spin.
First Orbit
Planet  Moon  Synchronous  Spin
Earth   Moon     Yes       None
Mars    Phobos   Yes       None
Jupiter Io       Yes       None
Second Orbit
Planet  Moon  Synchronous  Spin
Mars    Diemos   No        Yes
Jupiter Europa   No        Yes
There are probably more I haven't looked at them all.
Nobody yet has looked at Mercury.
« Last Edit: 11/03/2009 23:58:14 by A Davis »
 

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« Reply #16 on: 12/03/2009 00:20:17 »
The books on planets use the word synchronous spin for a moon that always faces a planet, I prefer the word no spin.
But they mean different things - we know that the moon is spinning, and so you must be incorrect.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 12/03/2009 19:44:15 »
If you were sat on the moon you would see the stars seem to rise and set in much the same way that you see them do from the earth because, like the earth, the moon spins.
If you set up a Foucault's pendulum on the moon it would show that the moon spins.
If you were to take a pendulum clock to the moon and see how fast it ticked at different latitudes you would see a change in rate due to the moon's spin.
If you were to measure the apparent strength of gravity- for example by weighing a rock on a high precision electronic balance, at different latitudes you would get different answers because of the moon's spin.

If you ignore all that then you can say "I prefer the word no spin." but you have left science so far behoind that you might as wel post this on a poetry apreciation forum rather than a science one.
 

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« Reply #18 on: 12/03/2009 19:47:05 »
Explain it to me BenV, if it is spinnig what is it's rate of rotation.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 12/03/2009 20:15:48 »
From wikipedia;
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The Moon makes a complete orbit around the Earth with respect to the fixed stars (its sidereal period) about once every 27.3 days. However, since the Earth is moving in its orbit about the Sun at the same time, it takes slightly longer for the Moon to show its same phase to Earth, which is about 29.5 days (its synodic period).[6]

Think about it. The same face of the moon always faces us. And it travels around us in a circle. If it wasn't spinning, we would be able to see all faces of it.

The same reasoning applies to the space station.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 13/03/2009 12:24:09 »
Try walking round a table, keeping your right shoulder nearest to it. You have to rotate as you walk to do that (i.e. you keep facing in different directions).
 

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« Reply #21 on: 13/03/2009 12:50:28 »
Simple experimental proof for this hypothesis

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Reading you people just makes my head spin.
That doesn't mean that It's in a orbit now, does it, does it!!

Show them this proof of your hypothesis A Davis, and they all will have to admit to the truth,. And yes, my head is nowadays in a most harmonic sphere too
 

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« Reply #22 on: 13/03/2009 13:19:33 »
AD
It spins ONCE A MONTH, btw.
 

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« Reply #23 on: 13/03/2009 17:13:22 »
He is winding you guys up.

Dont take the bait. 

Just ban him.
 

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« Reply #24 on: 14/03/2009 00:28:14 »
He is winding you guys up.

Dont take the bait. 

Just ban him.

I am becoming inclined to agree
 

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