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Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« on: 28/05/2005 23:28:47 »
Ok so I figure you've got human milk, surely we can get cheese or for that matter any other dairy product from this?;) You could make it and sell at crazy prices to connoisseurs of fine cheese. This is of course under the assumption that human females like milk cows (no offence intended here!), can in theory produce milk indefinitely so long as itís continually milked??!? Disturbing I know but hey they milk guys for semen at probably a couple of $/£ís a pop, how is that more socially acceptable?? I think there might be a serious market for this in some messed up country somewhere. You could even have regional cheeses from certain countries. Then like how super stars sell urine to crazy people; you could have female rock chix etc. sell there oh so yummy dairy product :P Plus would what the lovely lady has eaten effect the taste?? So get like vegan cheese (lol) thatís cheese from someone whoís been on a vegan diet tastes all fruity. Plus surely this kind of cheese would also be acceptable to vegans since no animals were taken advantage of. There are some seriously untapped ;) resources here, I think someone should benefitÖ Lol you could have a whole range like earwax candles and, saliva/honey beerÖ the amylase in the saliva is used to help make sugar for the fermentation process.

What do you peeps think :D viable idea? Socially acceptable? Any woman who would be up for this? Can anyone else think of some revolutionary new products? Would human cheese be yummy? Would it be hard or soft, I imagine it has a high fat content..? Would this be a <s>lactative</s> lucrative endeavour?

You could have DIY home kits, and then the milkman collects as well as delivers.. omg this is way to fully envisioned in my mind, I need to get out more.


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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #1 on: 28/05/2005 23:54:38 »
Hmmm... leaving aside questions of feasability/marketability (and moreover the yuck factor), I suspect there'd be a health-and-safety issue to this, being that there are issues with zoonoses, I think, with cow's milk (notably TB) and people (wierdly enough) have far more diseases that are transmissible to humans than do cows.
So I suspect the commercial use of human milk in food products would at least be hedged round by so many rules as to make it unviable as a business. And it'd probably have to be UHT treated which I'm sure to the connoiseur would ruin the finer overtones of the flavour... especially given the difficulties attendant on keeping the milk refrigerated from source to store, as you could hardly harvest it in big commercialised dairies.
 

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #2 on: 29/05/2005 00:04:52 »
Yeah I see what you are saying, but I've just been searching around the net [:I] for stuff about human cheese. There are people with full on business plans for this, its interesting to see the vegan idea has been thought of... so hard to have an original thought these days [V].

http://oxhouse.org/~brent/writing/human-cheese.txt n.b. not a serious site

People suggest getting around health issues in a similar way to how porn stars go on a health register. Plus we have and use blood banks all the time, they convey a large risk to.

Yes this is a fairly disgusting idea... but it amazes me that it hasn't been done yet considering, urine consumption as I mentioned before, and the fact that something like a sperm bank is (fairly) accepted by society.

OMG For marketing celebrity cheese  I just thought of the most awesome name ever, Cele-bra-cheese(tm) it works on so many levels (well two)! ;)

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #3 on: 29/05/2005 11:49:44 »
Read "In the Barn" (included in "Again, Dangerous Visions" and written by Piers Anthony) for a look at the "human" dairy industry.

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #4 on: 29/05/2005 11:51:12 »
Isn't there any risk of diseases spreading in this fashion, on the grounds of similarity? It's one of the reasons cannibals run an increased risk of diseases not even found, or incredibly hard to transfer (kuru) UNLESS you eat meat/brain/protein too similar to your own?

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #5 on: 29/05/2005 15:21:23 »
Yeah I imagine thatís true, but by the very nature of what milk is used for I can't see how it can be that bad so long as the donor was healthy. If it's good enough for new born babies! :D

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #6 on: 29/05/2005 21:41:39 »
One man's 'homey bug' is another's death sentence, sometimes. Some people have a disease and never show symptoms, only carry it, in a sense.

Define 'healthy'... :)

[Nice bumpersticker for your product: No homosexuals, haemophiliacs, or people that ate beef at any point in the last 30 years were involved in the making of this fine Dutch Yuckdammer - 100% prion-free since 1975]

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #7 on: 30/05/2005 01:40:26 »
babies probably don't get diseases from their mothers mile because they've been carried inside them for 9 months and share a lot of immunity. if someone else drank teh milk they may be exposed to things they're not immune to. a lot of disease pathogens don't cross the species barrier very well, so there's far less chance of catching something from say cows milk than from human milk.
 

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #8 on: 30/05/2005 17:59:06 »
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[Nice bumpersticker for your product: No homosexuals, haemophiliacs, or people that ate beef at any point in the last 30 years were involved in the making of this fine Dutch Yuckdammer - 100% prion-free since 1975]


Wouldn't it be sort of hard to get hold of milk from the homosexual community with out some sort of hormone therapy??? Again isn't haemophilia also fairly confined to the male populous thanks to good olí genetics, and not much of a problem with milk... I donít want it to clot really fast, does it even affect milk?

I admit that prions are fairly problematic, along with the transmission of viral agents like HIV.

ďHealthyĒ means not utterly riddled with disease so that the milk would clearly be harmful, so anyone currently suffering from infection etc. Plus the prion argument is debateable, if I were to believe everything I hear about CJD I would expect most of the population to suddenly be struck mad cow around about now.

I think im gunna concede defeat here, because I know that there are obvious health problems preventing this. But most of all its really, really nasty:D. I still donít get how milk thatís to be digested would be of greater health risk than bloodÖ which is to be intravenously tapped straight into someone (who is likely to be ill/weak). Donít get me wrong I advocate blood donning and donate myself.


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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #9 on: 30/05/2005 18:36:06 »
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I still donít get how milk thatís to be digested would be of greater health risk than bloodÖ which is to be intravenously tapped straight into someone (who is likely to be ill/weak). Donít get me wrong I advocate blood donning and donate myself.

It isn't a case of being a greater health risk than blood transfusions though, is it?
People receive blood donations as lifesaving medical treatment and so a small (carefully minimised) risk of contracting something nasty can reasonably be considered preferable, on average, to the much larger risk (or even certainty) of death in the absence of that transfusion.
With the choice between human and cow/goat/sheep cheese it's between the risk of catching something from the human milk, or not. Risks from eating dairy cheese being assumed to be rather smaller, and you can just choose not to eat either if you so wish.

 

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #10 on: 30/05/2005 19:19:01 »
quote:
Originally posted by Ultima

quote:
[Nice bumpersticker for your product: No homosexuals, haemophiliacs, or people that ate beef at any point in the last 30 years were involved in the making of this fine Dutch Yuckdammer - 100% prion-free since 1975]


I admit that prions are fairly problematic, along with the transmission of viral agents like HIV.




Hence the homosexuals, haemophiliacs (HIV risk groups), and beef-eaters (CJD).  :D
 

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #11 on: 30/05/2005 20:45:51 »
No need for deep scientific analysis: This idea is disgusting and retarded.

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #12 on: 30/05/2005 21:25:19 »
Chimera I was kind of discounting the homosexual practice as I would imagine that lesbians are of a relatively lower risk of catching HIV than most groups of people??? I don't know if thatís true or not I havenít looked to see if any studies have been done??? Again males mainly having haemophilia, not quite the target populous for producing milk.
But errr IAmAI is right, this was supposed to be more of a joke than anything, plus I wanted to find out about some cool biology where humans produce something that could be made into (relatively) useful products... One really great one is the use of human hair to clean up oil slicks, if there is ever an oil slick near you, rally around for people to shave their heads!!!

Although I do have an insatiable lust to see human CHEESE! come to fruition in the market place, not sure why?? :D My mind has obviously been disturbed by watching the shopping channels on TV.

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #13 on: 30/05/2005 22:54:05 »
quote:
Originally posted by Ultima
My mind has obviously been disturbed by watching the shopping channels on TV.


I bet that's entertaining.
 

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #14 on: 31/05/2005 21:16:09 »
In Holland, they *can* be very funny, at least they were way back when I still watched TV, because all this Tell-Sell crap used to be lip-synchronised, which is highly unusual in Holland, because it's either subtitled, or they don't even bother. This goes to show it's intended for a non-reading public, btw.

Funniest thing it's done by low-down (cheap) English actors trying to cope in Holland doing ads and stuff, who hardly speak Dutch, and have the most riduculous accents at times, really completely OTT.

And then hear them trying to sell you all those nonsense products while yapping how fantaaaaaaaaastic everything is, can be rather funny one or two times.

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #15 on: 31/05/2005 22:55:41 »
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Originally posted by fishytails

babies probably don't get diseases from their mothers mile because they've been carried inside them for 9 months and share a lot of immunity. if someone else drank teh milk they may be exposed to things they're not immune to. a lot of disease pathogens don't cross the species barrier very well, so there's far less chance of catching something from say cows milk than from human milk.



I thought I'd better jump in and clarify this one.

Babies born to mothers who are HIV positive have a relatively low risk of acquiring HIV through gestation and delivery. But if they are breast-fed the risk is 70% !

The neonatal intestine is highly permeable to cells and viruses during the first few weeks of life. The purpose of this is to allow transfer of passive immunity (antibodies etc) passed to the baby in the mother's milk. Unfortunately it also lets viruses like HIV cross very efficiently too.

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #16 on: 09/06/2005 11:42:12 »
well i agree with you ultima but the problem is that not all the women are lactating everytime they just lactate after pregnancy when there is a release of prolactin so how can you extract the milk from individuals any idea for this.
 

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #17 on: 10/06/2005 21:22:49 »
Yeah it would have to be a fair-trade thing done as a Co-Op of mothers, donít know perhaps some biology peep can tell us if hormone therapy works or is possible??? But with breast pumps I figure those entrepreneuring mums can keep the trade going? ;)

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #18 on: 11/06/2005 02:34:42 »
Does that make these lactating women "entreprenurse"?

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #19 on: 12/06/2005 13:13:10 »
Lol yeah I guess it would. :D Anyone got any ideas for products aside from human cheese?

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #20 on: 13/06/2005 15:23:03 »
Thanks Chris for that, but does that mean no immunity is passed from mother to baby during gestation? and also, no pathogens? If this is the case why is it so dangerous for pregnant women to catch viruses, such as rubella for instance?

The pathogens present will presumably be transferred from mother to baby at the same time as the mothers antibodies against them, if as you say the point is to transfer immunity, so the only real problem with this are those nasty bugs that our immune systems can't win the battle over (e.g. HIV)

but I assume my main point remains intact? that pathogens in the milk are more likely to result in disease when drank by the same species as the one which produced it?
 

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Re: Is it possible to make cheese from human milk?
« Reply #21 on: 14/06/2005 14:09:47 »
It all comes down to whether an infectious agent can cross the placenta. Some viruses which have no viraemic (blood-bourne) phase are safe - like herpes simplex, the cause of cold sores. But its relative, Chicken Pox, which intially replicates in the lungs and then establishes a viraemia (circulation and distribution of the virus in the bloodstream) can cross the placenta and infect the foetus. If this occurs early in pregnancy (first 20 weeks), when the major systems are being formed, it can have serious consequences. THe overall risk, however, is still quite low with only 1-2% of pregnancies affected.

But some viruses that are viraemic are still unable to cross the placenta. HIV, Hepatitis B, and Hepatitis C are all examples of this. Their inability to cross the placenta efficiently probably relates to the absence of a suitable receptor on the viral surface for placental cell antigens. It takes something else - like a doctor coming along with an amniocentesis or CVS (chorionic villus sample) needle to get the virus in.

Babies born to Hep B positive mothers are managed according to their mother's Hep B status which is known in the UK these days because Hep B assessments form part of the antenatal screen. Babies born to mothers with high-level infectivity receive anti-hepB antibodies at birth, followed by an accelerated course of vaccine. Babies born to low-infectivity carriers receive vaccination alone. It's important to prevent neonatal acquisition of Hep B since 80% of individuals under the age of about 3 years will go on to develop lifelong chronic hepB. Infection in adults, on the other hand, leads to lifelong infection only 15-20% of the time.

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