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we observe that clocks run in space only
we have no evidence that space-time is physical reality in which clocks run
my idea is that clock's run is time itself
cosmic space itself is timeless (atemporal)
time as a clocks's run is relative
it speed depends on strenght of gravity field

about that idea you can read below

http://www.wbabin.net/sorli/sorli15.pdf

yours amrit

« Last Edit: 06/04/2009 21:07:04 by amrit »


 

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Re: Einstein's Marriage between Space and Time needs Divorce
« Reply #1 on: 06/04/2009 12:56:00 »
Hi Amrit,

Posts that consist of very little but a link art not acceptable here.  If you wish to discuss something, please put the info you would like us to read in the post.

Also, please try to find the right board for the topic.  I suspect this is a new theory of yours, and so should go in the new theories board.  As you've supplied no information, it just looks like spam.

Please modify your original so that we can discuss your ideas here.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 06/04/2009 13:15:54 »
As a user of IE8 I cannot read this and I am not that sorry!.
 

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Re: Einstein's Marriage between Space and Time needs Divorce
« Reply #3 on: 06/04/2009 17:57:29 »
The link between space and time is tested literally millions or even billions of times everyday- people running particle accelerators have very, very obvious data that shows that among other things, particles get more massive, decay more slowly at higher speeds and are unable to exceed the speed of light.
 

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Einstein's Marriage between Space and Time needs Divorce
« Reply #4 on: 06/04/2009 21:10:19 »
The link between space and time is tested literally millions or even billions of times everyday- people running particle accelerators have very, very obvious data that shows that among other things, particles get more massive, decay more slowly at higher speeds and are unable to exceed the speed of light.

I would not agree
time is clocks run in space
space-time is a math model only
there is no experimental evidence that space-time is physical reality
 

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« Reply #5 on: 06/04/2009 21:24:03 »
I've seen pictures from the cloud chamber with my own eyes, and the physicists there pointed out the very obvious features that were due to relativity. ::)
 

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« Reply #6 on: 06/04/2009 21:43:05 »

we observe that clocks run in space only
we have no evidence that space-time is physical reality in which clocks run
my idea is that clock's run is time itself
cosmic space itself is timeless (atemporal)
time as a clocks's run is relative
it speed depends on strenght of gravity field

about that idea you can read below

http://www.wbabin.net/sorli/sorli15.pdf

yours amrit
I've started reading that document, and I have a first question. It's written:

"This understanding of time resolves the problem of twins. They do not
live in time; they live in space only. A brother in a high-speed spaceship is
getting older slower than his brother on Earth, but both are getting older in a
physical space only and not in time."

What means "both are getting older in a physical space only and not in time" ?
"Getting older" is not an attribute of time?
 

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« Reply #7 on: 07/04/2009 06:27:07 »
Indeed. The "getting older" is a clock, a biological one.
 

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Einstein's Marriage between Space and Time needs Divorce
« Reply #8 on: 07/04/2009 12:04:49 »
I think we have to run faster than clock ;D ;D ;D ;D


 

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« Reply #9 on: 07/04/2009 15:05:16 »
The link between space and time is tested literally millions or even billions of times everyday- people running particle accelerators have very, very obvious data that shows that among other things, particles get more massive, decay more slowly at higher speeds and are unable to exceed the speed of light.

I would not agree
time is clocks run in space
space-time is a math model only
there is no experimental evidence that space-time is physical reality
Your thinking appears to be very muddled and not very well informed.
If you are intending to come up with a better way of describing the World as we see it, you will need to do better than to reject, with no evidence, the present view, which is backed up with loads of evidence.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 07/04/2009 17:27:29 »

we observe that clocks run in space only
we have no evidence that space-time is physical reality in which clocks run
my idea is that clock's run is time itself
cosmic space itself is timeless (atemporal)
time as a clocks's run is relative
it speed depends on strenght of gravity field

about that idea you can read below

http://www.wbabin.net/sorli/sorli15.pdf

yours amrit
I've started reading that document, and I have a first question. It's written:

"This understanding of time resolves the problem of twins. They do not
live in time; they live in space only. A brother in a high-speed spaceship is
getting older slower than his brother on Earth, but both are getting older in a
physical space only and not in time."

What means "both are getting older in a physical space only and not in time" ?
"Getting older" is not an attribute of time?

no getting older is atribute of biology
Time is a run of clocks.
Clocks run faster on the Moon than on the Earth.
One is getting older faster on Moon than on the Earth.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 07/04/2009 17:37:32 »
The link between space and time is tested literally millions or even billions of times everyday- people running particle accelerators have very, very obvious data that shows that among other things, particles get more massive, decay more slowly at higher speeds and are unable to exceed the speed of light.

I would not agree
time is clocks run in space
space-time is a math model only
there is no experimental evidence that space-time is physical reality
Your thinking appears to be very muddled and not very well informed.
If you are intending to come up with a better way of describing the World as we see it, you will need to do better than to reject, with no evidence, the present view, which is backed up with loads of evidence.

Today in physics there are two fundamental approaches on time. First is that clocks run in space-time as a basic physical reality. Second approach is that clocks run only in physical (cosmic) space and clock’s run is time itself. First approach has limitations regarding quantum non-locality and superluminal phenomena. There is no experimental evidence of  space-time as a fundamental physical reality in which material change run cannot be observed.

Second approach introduces “strange” idea that physical space itself is immediate information transfer medium between elementary particles. Second approach is confirmed with experimental evidence. Each experiment conforms that with clocks we measure duration and numerical order of material change that run in physical space. Clocks do not run in time, clock’s run itself is time. Run of time is relative; speed of clocks depends on strength of gravity force in different areas of physical space.

Time is run of clock in atemporal space. Space-time is a math model only.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 07/04/2009 18:08:43 »
I think we have to run faster than clock ;D ;D ;D ;D

AMRIT: for that we have to move on the Moon. But also there we will getting older in atemporal space only as space-time is a merely a math model. ;D

 

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« Reply #13 on: 07/04/2009 18:52:59 »
I've started reading that document, and I have a first question. It's written:

"This understanding of time resolves the problem of twins. They do not
live in time; they live in space only. A brother in a high-speed spaceship is
getting older slower than his brother on Earth, but both are getting older in a
physical space only and not in time."

What means "both are getting older in a physical space only and not in time" ?
"Getting older" is not an attribute of time?
no getting older is atribute of biology
Time is a run of clocks.
Clocks run faster on the Moon than on the Earth.
One is getting older faster on Moon than on the Earth.
Ok, but if getting older is an attribute of biology, then you can't reproduce the twins experiment without living beings but with instruments only. And, anyway, how can you define and measure physically the biological ageing without using clocks?
 

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« Reply #14 on: 08/04/2009 10:08:25 »
I've started reading that document, and I have a first question. It's written:

"This understanding of time resolves the problem of twins. They do not
live in time; they live in space only. A brother in a high-speed spaceship is
getting older slower than his brother on Earth, but both are getting older in a
physical space only and not in time."

What means "both are getting older in a physical space only and not in time" ?
"Getting older" is not an attribute of time?
no getting older is atribute of biology
Time is a run of clocks.
Clocks run faster on the Moon than on the Earth.
One is getting older faster on Moon than on the Earth.
Ok, but if getting older is an attribute of biology, then you can't reproduce the twins experiment without living beings but with instruments only. And, anyway, how can you define and measure physically the biological ageing without using clocks?

Sure we use clocks.
Clocks are mechanisms for measuring duration of material and biological change.
But clocks run in space only and not in time, all run in space only.
And space itself is timeless - atemporal.
We have no experimental evidence space-time being physical reality.
Because of that we need to define:
1. TIME IS RUN OF CLOCKS IN SPACE (time is not part of space).
2. SPACE-TIME IS A MATH MODEL ONLY.
Space and time needs to be divorced.
This divorce will marriage GR and QM.
Right understanding of time will make possible to connect General Relativity and Quantum Mechanic.
 

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« Reply #15 on: 08/04/2009 11:19:49 »
I think we have to run faster than clock ;D ;D ;D ;D




what do u mean ? (by that ....)
 

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« Reply #16 on: 08/04/2009 11:23:35 »
I think he means some bs. :D
 

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« Reply #17 on: 08/04/2009 11:26:17 »

we observe that clocks run in space only
we have no evidence that space-time is physical reality in which clocks run
my idea is that clock's run is time itself
cosmic space itself is timeless (atemporal)
time as a clocks's run is relative
it speed depends on strenght of gravity field

about that idea you can read below

http://www.wbabin.net/sorli/sorli15.pdf

yours amrit



Hi amrit ,

ok !! Space is nothing but time ... there is no Isolation of time from space ....

it is only possible when Time stops ...

I mean to say that Einstein's Marriage between Space and Time needs Divorce ... when time stops .. !!
as long as time runs the Marriage is successful ...

Space and Time always good couple no problem with it ...
« Last Edit: 08/04/2009 11:49:33 by ScientificBoysClub »
 

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« Reply #20 on: 08/04/2009 12:28:30 »
no do not post this in forum ??
 

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« Reply #22 on: 08/04/2009 12:32:57 »

u r kind of annoying ..
 

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« Reply #23 on: 08/04/2009 12:33:52 »
I think he means some bs. :D
what?

The pictures help you!!!
i just asked meaning of bs ..... i think u r using bad words ??
 

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« Reply #24 on: 08/04/2009 12:34:29 »
You have got to be kidding me!
You still haven't worked out what 'bs' means? ??? :D
 

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