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#### Mr. Scientist

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##### An Alternative Theory to a Higg Field: Using Gravitational Charge and Mass-Spin
« on: 09/04/2009 20:57:14 »
(Excerpt) - (and hello Vern, if you are still around) - i know its been a while since i have been here, but i've decided to come and devote more time. In the recent time away, i have come up with a theory. I know this place does not have latex, so i will link the whole paper to a website which displays mathematical formulea easier to the eye.

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Abstract

I explore the abandonment of the classical form of axial spin, and how the general classical density equation
could still be useful when taking into consideration solid arguement concerning the nature of quantum particle
structure. I also attempt to how relations not only between classical density, but i find relations that connect
gravitational field strengths that may be proportional to the energy content in a given slice of spacetime. In
conclusion, the mass-spin relationship formula, and the recently discovered charge-mass-spin formula lead me to
speculate that the gravitational charge is actually the origin of the particle rest mass content rather than
adopting a Higgs Field.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=306193

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=305675

As a quick thought experiment, the fine structure constant has been experimentally determined using the electron spin g-factor
or, , which is a dimensionless magnetic moment. If there is a magnetic moment inversely-related to the
elementary charge, as usually given as by rearranging forumlea:

then it could very well be assumed there be a gravitational moment as well. Usin the work given in the second link above, we do
find interesting relationship between that of the electromagnetic equations and with that of the gravitational.

#### Vern

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##### An Alternative Theory to a Higg Field: Using Gravitational Charge and Mass-Spin
« Reply #1 on: 09/04/2009 22:54:25 »
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As a quick thought experiment, the fine structure constant has been experimentally determined using the electron spin g-factor
I'll have more to post after I read your paper. I can offer a source for the fine structure constant given a universe comprised only of electromagnetic phenomena. The fine structure constant, in that universe, would be the ratio of the electron's diameter to its electric charge. The electron's circumference would be the wave length of its constituent photon.

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##### An Alternative Theory to a Higg Field: Using Gravitational Charge and Mass-Spin
« Reply #2 on: 09/04/2009 23:26:49 »
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As a quick thought experiment, the fine structure constant has been experimentally determined using the electron spin g-factor
I'll have more to post after I read your paper. I can offer a source for the fine structure constant given a universe comprised only of electromagnetic phenomena. The fine structure constant, in that universe, would be the ratio of the electron's diameter to its electric charge. The electron's circumference would be the wave length of its constituent photon.

More later

Bolded by me; that would be interesting. I'd love to see the derivation. :)

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##### An Alternative Theory to a Higg Field: Using Gravitational Charge and Mass-Spin
« Reply #3 on: 10/04/2009 13:22:52 »
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Bolded by me; that would be interesting. I'd love to see the derivation. :)
I didn't actually do the derivation, but took it far enough to see that one was possible. The notion that the FST would be related to the diameter of the electron comes from the postulate that electric charge derives from the bent path of a photon. The fields cannot be symmetric in the bend because the outside of the curve has more area.

The tighter the bend radius, the greater the force.

I followed your links and went through the posts. It was interesting. Your paradox seemed more to do with entanglement. I settled the observations of entanglement in my own mind by thinking of the photon as occupying a spacial area as a field. The field has points of saturation. The points are driven through space by the changing amplitude of the field. The field is oriented in the classic electric and magnetic planes. Polarization is a property of the field. Entangled photons share the same field. To change the polarization, you must change the field. So, naturally, both points of saturation reflect the same polarization when detected.

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##### An Alternative Theory to a Higg Field: Using Gravitational Charge and Mass-Spin
« Reply #4 on: 12/04/2009 06:18:02 »
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Bolded by me; that would be interesting. I'd love to see the derivation. :)
I didn't actually do the derivation, but took it far enough to see that one was possible. The notion that the FST would be related to the diameter of the electron comes from the postulate that electric charge derives from the bent path of a photon. The fields cannot be symmetric in the bend because the outside of the curve has more area.

The tighter the bend radius, the greater the force.

I followed your links and went through the posts. It was interesting. Your paradox seemed more to do with entanglement. I settled the observations of entanglement in my own mind by thinking of the photon as occupying a spacial area as a field. The field has points of saturation. The points are driven through space by the changing amplitude of the field. The field is oriented in the classic electric and magnetic planes. Polarization is a property of the field. Entangled photons share the same field. To change the polarization, you must change the field. So, naturally, both points of saturation reflect the same polarization when detected.

Vern, i have been doing some reading into your theory, and i've came to some conclusions i have decided to make in a new thread. I would very much appreciate the attention into photon theory.

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