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« on: 10/04/2009 04:19:54 »


"Taking a wasps' nest... is more effective than catching the wasps one by one,"- Lord Palmerston, referring to combating piracy, particularly off the coasts of East Africa.
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« Reply #1 on: 10/04/2009 13:23:57 »
Would you not think the answer to this problem would be a total blockade of Somalia? An international fleet of 10 - 20 warships stationed along its 2300 mile coast line, with 3 or 4 of those ships being carriers to keep a permanent airborne guard and alert the warships of any breach of the blockade.

A fleet could be made up of ships from the US, UK, France, Greece, Germany, Russia, China, Italy, India, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Holland, Turkey and so on & so forth.

Don't pussyfoot around with them, blow them out of the water!
 

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« Reply #2 on: 10/04/2009 14:13:32 »
I agree. The cheapest solution would be an agreed protected sea lane with escorted convoys rather than warships on stations. The sea-lane would be an exclusion zone to craft without permission in the vicinity of a convoy. The protecting vessels need to have the capability to have an attack helicopter (Apache or similar) which would be best for dealing with the threat. Protecting smaller vessels, private yachts etc., would still be difficult though.

An international force attacking the harbours used by the pirates is not without its problems, but it may come to that.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 10/04/2009 17:22:42 »
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Would you not think the answer to this problem would be a total blockade of Somalia? An international fleet of 10 - 20 warships stationed along its 2300 mile coast line, with 3 or 4 of those ships being carriers to keep a permanent airborne guard and alert the warships of any breach of the blockade.

The pirates and their speed boats are being ferried 3 to 4 hundred miles out to sea by large ships which makes the potential area needed to be covered enormous.

The cheaper and more practical method would be to have 30 to 40 squads of 15 to 20 marines from different countries on board different potential targets; switching to different ships coming the other way once they have cleared the danger area.

Once the pirates realise that any potential target could have soldiers on board waiting for them to board they would probably cease there activities.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 10/04/2009 17:52:16 »
I don't think the ship owners (at least) are keen on the idea of just having an armed force on board their ships - though I would think it is certainly better than not having them. Some of the pirates are quite well equipped and a large ship can be surprisingly hard to defend without a considerable number of defenders with suitable weapons. It is especially problematic for tankers carrying inflammable substances like oil or liquefied gas. Ideally the pirates must be kept at a distance. Sitting on a large bomb being attacked by blokes with RPG's is not a job I'd be keen on volunteering for.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 10/04/2009 21:19:38 »
ah ha ya swabs, you'll never be catching me.

Obviously the cause of people turning to piracy needs to be conquered and then the problem wont be so daunting.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 11/04/2009 05:02:48 »
ah ha ya swabs, you'll never be catching me.

Obviously the cause of people turning to piracy needs to be conquered and then the problem wont be so daunting.

They're doing it because they can get away with it.  They take over a ship and they get what they want. 
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« Reply #7 on: 11/04/2009 14:21:40 »
ah ha ya swabs, you'll never be catching me.

Obviously the cause of people turning to piracy needs to be conquered and then the problem wont be so daunting.

They're doing it because they can get away with it.  They take over a ship and they get what they want. 

Agreed. I doubt the $millions they are netting is being used to alleviate any problems with the ordinary people of Somalia, it's going into the pockets of those who organise and take part in these actions.

An international fleet could blockade Somalian sea ports and blow the buggers out of the water on sight.
 

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« Reply #8 on: 11/04/2009 15:01:08 »
Obviously the cause of people turning to piracy needs to be conquered and then the problem wont be so daunting.

They're doing it because they can get away with it.  They take over a ship and they get what they want. 

Agreed. There's nothing you can offer people with no morals or conscience, who have nothing to lose, and far more to gain by terrorising innocent people.
 

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