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« on: 14/06/2005 18:27:19 »
Hey I wasnt sure what forum to put this topic in so I chose this one :D

So does anybody know how to make gun powder, dynamite and/or any other exlplosive. Preferabely ones that expload on impact. Also rough amounts and costs because it is just for practiacal jokes. Thanks


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« Reply #1 on: 16/06/2005 10:28:50 »
go on to google and search for jolly rogers cookbook or the anarcists cookbook (apologies for the spelling) anyway that should fit your needs i like the light bulb bomb oh and take my advice when they say use a wooden spoon just use a wooden spoon trust me on this

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« Reply #2 on: 16/06/2005 12:55:44 »
Be very careful if you confine any explosives you make - someone I knew filled a 40mm bofer's shell with weed killer explosive and managed to get his mate hit by the resulting shrapnel...

Basically explosives are dangerous so think very carefully about what may go wrong, and what will be flying at you when it does!
 

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« Reply #3 on: 16/06/2005 16:00:03 »
ye spose ur right. I probably wont even do it. I might though

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« Reply #4 on: 17/06/2005 11:40:07 »
Why not just wait til November & buy some fireworks?
 

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« Reply #5 on: 17/06/2005 20:55:51 »
coz they are REALLY dangerous. I cnt really do that.

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« Reply #6 on: 17/06/2005 22:59:57 »
There's funny explosive appeared not long ago: diacetone diperoxide (dipropanone diperoxide). One can easily get it using acetone, sulfuric acid and 38% hydrogen peroxide. Since it is very sensitive to pressure ,fire ,heat and sparks in dry state (in wet state it's rather stable) it can be dangerous. But this compound is very powerful ,demanding little work on synthesis.
 

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« Reply #7 on: 20/06/2005 11:16:24 »
What's the chemistry behind the synthesis ?

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« Reply #8 on: 21/06/2005 08:03:56 »
erm right ok I was thinking more potasium permaganate or howver you spell it. I cant even pronouce it either :) is that explosive at all?

Oh in the new batman film they have this really cool black powder stuff that you throw on the floor and it explodes!!! I dnt know if it is real or not though :(

Oh how do bangers work? You know the little white balls with the stuff inside that you throw on the floor and make a rubbish little bang. Coz You could make a big one of them!

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« Reply #9 on: 21/06/2005 09:11:45 »
I still have a nice scar over my eye after making a weedkiller bomb at the age of 14. Don’t think the top off the bottle has come down yet. The explosion was huge, shaking the windows in houses around the explosion. I would not recommend anyone to repeat this experiment as the ferocity of the blast took us all by surprise and I ended up in hospital having stitches. A few millimetres lower and I would have been blinded!

Try baking cakes or gardening instead, much safer for all concerned. Trust me on this one.

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« Reply #10 on: 21/06/2005 21:33:08 »
a weedkiller bomb? I wnt make one I just curious how to. Although I could make a really small one perhaps

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« Reply #11 on: 21/06/2005 22:45:00 »
Weedkiller or fertiliser? I'd heard of fertiliser (nitrate) bombs... or was it the sort of weedkiller that's actually a fertiliser and causes plants to grow too fast and die? Tho' on second thoughts I think that's actually a growth hormone based system so probably not hugely explosive (biology GCSE seems like a long time ago).
 

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« Reply #12 on: 22/06/2005 11:37:53 »
Andrew - Do you mean weedkiller & sugar? My old school got a new high-jump sandpit as a result of 1 of those bombs. That & the incident with the sodium in the swimming pool were the 2 main reasons I was banned from chemistry [V]

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« Reply #13 on: 22/06/2005 15:07:51 »
You can make bombs out a nitrate of your choice (I believe the IRA use ammonium nitrate) as it will decompose to give off oxygen that will react with a fuel you add (often diesel) - you can get this kind of explosive to detonate if you hit it with a very big detonator.

You can also use the weedkiller sodium chlorate which kills things by oxidising them as the oxidiser too, often with sugar as the fuel. The manufacturers have no sense of fun and add a flame retardant to the sodium chlorate so the stuff you buy in the garden centre apparently doesn't work very well...
 

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« Reply #14 on: 22/06/2005 17:52:09 »
so doctorbeaver.... if you mix weed killer and sugar it explodes? And I got a feeling I am the only kid here huh oh well. And G.C.S.E's SUCK!!! I hate them and they can all burn in a big fire.

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« Reply #15 on: 23/06/2005 06:06:00 »
Simeonie - As mentioned by Dave, flame retardants are added these days so it doesn't work anymore. I used to make them in the days when the nearest thing we had to terrorists were little old ladies parking on double yellow lines outside the wool shop! :D
 

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« Reply #16 on: 23/06/2005 06:15:49 »
And don't get me started on GCSEs! When I was a lad we had real exams, not the namby-pamby little tests you get today. Calculators in maths exams? PAH! We weren't even allowed to use an abacus. And no word processors to use for essays either. We had to catch a goose, pluck its wing-tip feather & use that to write in proper ink we made ourselves from crushed cockroaches.
We had to learn what apostrophes are for as well (which is something people today seem to have not a clue about) & if we put 1 in the wrong place the deputy head would use a broomhandle to thrash us to within an inch of our lives.
We had proper subjects too, like Latin & Greek: none of this girlie Media Studies and the like blah blah rhubarb mumble mumble...
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« Reply #17 on: 23/06/2005 09:14:28 »
We're totally destroying this country by creating a quagmire of intense political correctness, telling everyone they are excellent at everything, that no one's ever a failure, there's no such this as an expert - everyone's on an even playing field with each other and their 'lay' perspective is more important than the facts (known as being more horizontal in present PC-speak apparently - to me that suggested something entirely different), grammatical standards have gone out of the window, people write horrors like 'stadiums' and 'forums' (see the bottom right of this screen where it says Snitz for example (!)), and university standards have taken a dramatic nosedive. And if you fail an exam you just keep taking it again until you get a A. When will people realise that life isn't like that ?

I feel really sorry for young people doing GCSEs and A Levels these days, and even more sorry for their teachers, because no one is allowed to learn anything useful anymore. You merely study to pass an exam, not study to broaden your mind. Young people are being forced into a mindset of "what do I need to learn to pass the exam ?". We should be nurturing peoples' interests and enthusiasm for knowledge and scientific understanding about the world around them.

The writing's on the wall. In a few years Oxford and Cambridge will be full of overseas students (as that's the only way they can remain afloat financially), we'll be giving the rest of the world what's made this country great, whilst our own young people will end up sweeping the floors because they have received a rubbish education.  

The working and living environment we are creating in this country is totally destructive and obstructive to progress. Unless the loony leftie PC brigade get shot soon, and people start thinking sensibly again, we may as well give up now and hand our assets to China !

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« Reply #18 on: 23/06/2005 14:14:25 »
Nope, if you mix sodium chlorate with sugar it burn intensely and does not explode, even prior to the introduction of the inhibitor. It needs some modification before it becomes an explosive, and I will not contribute towards you losing a limb or possibly your life further than this. I have used this combination of sugar and sodium chlorate for harvesting wasp grubs for fishing by adding the mixture to a hive, igniting it and placing a turf over it, this kills all the wasps but leaves the grubs alive, unlike the cymag poison which is harmful to both the grubs and the fish that eat them.



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« Reply #19 on: 23/06/2005 14:47:02 »
Chris, and Dr Beaver, I think you both need to listen to the sunscreen track by Bas luhrmann, to refresh your memory about the education we received, though I guess your education was more comprehensive than my own comprehensive education in the Blackcountry. But any education pales into insignificance when you go out into the real world, and we all have to either adapt or give up. And so will future generations that follow us, but their playing field is one of high technology and demands a new breed of educated people that are familiar with word processors, computers, software and hardware alike.

My main problem with the technology boom is that it does not really contribute to anything in a production / manufacturing sense. I.E. We still need food, fuel, manufactured goods, tools, vehicles and a healthy planet. Information technology is ok to let everyone know what is needed and where it is needed but it does not provide us with the materials to repair the breach in the walls. I can see a massive shortage of people with a common sense hands on experience in industrial processes. In fact, many of the tradesmen refuse to educate the younger generations now and are slipping away in their thousands, leaving a huge void once their skills are taken to grave, and as Chris stated, this hole will certainly be filled by China and other Eastern countries, eager to supply the developed countries who are living in the I.T. Bubble waiting for a pin to burst it.

Anyway, the problem is certainly not irreversible and other generations will indeed have to be programmed differently to fill these gaps in supply and demand.
London is a classic example of this. Sitting smug thinking it can run the rest of the world without producing diddly squat. Well guess what London, your days are already numbered and boy, does London have a rude awakening coming when it is realised that life can carry on contently without its interference! Already we are seeing a mass exodus of skills oozing from every orifice of “Our Once Great Britain”, spilling out on many foreign shores where eking out a comfortable existence affords greater odds than dodging taxes, traffic wardens and speed cameras.

Sorry for the rant, but you touched a nerve

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« Reply #20 on: 23/06/2005 16:03:45 »
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But any education pales into insignificance when you go out into the real world, and we all have to either adapt or give up

Very true. That's 1 of the problems I have with the fanaticism for youth. I used to work as a consultant/analyst for a maintenence management software company. More often than not, companies we went to had a young graduate in charge of the dept & men of experience actually doing the work. The youngsters could read the machine performance printouts but the maintenance engineers could just look at or listen to a machine & tell you what was wrong without thousands of pounds worth of sensors & monitors. Yet these are exactly the people who have gradually been phased out. It's criminal!
 

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« Reply #21 on: 23/06/2005 20:24:33 »
This kinda of thing really annoys me you know. I am very young and I hear older people saying that educaion in deteriating quickly but I really think that that is a load of poop.

If that is true.... how come technolagy is getting better. Bigger constructions are being made all the time and things are just getting better.

I know there are a lot of "slackers" and stuff who will arrive no where in life but there always has been.

But if wot you lot are saying is true then technolagy and pretty much everything will be rubbish when this generation grows up.

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« Reply #22 on: 24/06/2005 02:03:00 »
not necessarily as technology is cumulative so it may not be improving as fast as it could be. Also a lot of technological development is global, so the Chinese or Indian education systems are more important...
 

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« Reply #23 on: 24/06/2005 11:35:24 »
Simeonie, don't take it the wrong way. No one is attempting to belittle your efforts, but what we are saying is that through no fault of your own your are being educated badly. The mindsets that young people develop today are not what they were about 20 years ago. And to refer back to your point about things just getting better - we're currently surfing on the success of those people from 20 years or more back down the line. We are not, however, investing in our future so many of the people being educated in today's world are not reaching their full potential.

The government, for instance, thinks its a good idea to mix naughty kids in with a class of well behaved kids. This will set an example to the bad kids, they say. Actually what it does is disrupt the whole class so that the teacher can't do his or her job very effectively, and the standard goes down. There is enormous investment in people who are underachievers for one reason or another, but no / little parallel investment in those who are also 'special needs' for the opposite reason - they are intelligent.

We should be stretching people, not subjecting them to stupid exams for which we've had to invent new top grades because everyone was getting an A ! THat's ridiculous and argues that the exam is too easy. I don't believe that teachers, overnight almost, became so good at teaching GSCE that standards suddenly rocketed and the traditional 10-15% of people who got As previously, became 20-30%.

It's an insult to people who do well, because it devalues their achievement, and it's destructive to people that are less able because it ill prepares them for life. You cannot deny that spelling and grammar have gone completely down the tubes. Most people are terrible at mental arithmetic too.

I'm not saying that in this day and age times tables are the be-all and end-all, but what they do is to mould the developing brain into a receptive organ with good memory skills. The instant gratification, let's quickly look it up on the web without actually learning anything, culture does not do that. It just makes people lazy, error-prone, and prone to exploitation by people that can do their sums !

Politicians need to wake up and stop eroding standards with this ridiculous league-table driven pc-obsessed world they're creating, and start teaching young people properly again.

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« Reply #24 on: 25/06/2005 06:49:56 »
Chris - I couldn't agree more. I could cry at some of the spelling and grammar I see from A level & uni students these days. Most unis & colleges now run remedial courses in basic English & maths because the kids didn't learn them properly at school.
I also don't wish to demean anyone, the point I was trying to make is that education & experience must go hand-in-glove. What sounds like a brilliant idea in class or on paper may not be so good in the real world. You only have to look at teaching methods to that in action. As Chris said, "1 size fits all" education doesn't work despite what the so-called experts may have been saying for the past 30 years. A return to streaming with extra help for those who struggle is the answer. Disruptive pupils should be kept away from those who wish to learn or the whole class will suffer.
Work experience for students is a good idea but it has to be implemented properly. It's no good getting an A level business studies student filling envelopes! I had a big row with the chairman of a company I used to work for. We took on a young lad for work experience who had come top on his IT class. Our chairman set him to work copying disks. I thought that was a total waste of his talents and an insult to his intelligence.
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