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Offline coberst

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What would Socrates do?
« on: 27/04/2009 15:43:25 »
What would Socrates do?

Socrates sought to save Athenian society by making it self-critical.

Imagine that you and many other colorblind people live on this isolated island.  All inhabitants are colorblind from birth and know nothing about color; there is no word for color in their vocabulary.

Assume Fred is a health nut who exercises constantly and is always advising others to start a strict exercise routine for their health.  Fred is well liked but most people on the island think that he over emphasizes the value of exercise.

One day after pursuing a specific exercises routine Fred become conscious of color.  He is shocked and frightened and discontinues the exercise.  Many weeks later curiosity gets the best of him and he returns to the exercise routine and there again appears the perception of color.

Fred experiments with this matter and concludes that when he performs the afore mentioned exercise routine he can perceive color constantly.

If you were Fred would you inform your friends and acquaintances of this occurrence?

How would you explain this perception to others? 

How would others respond to your efforts to explain what happened?

I suspect most individuals would walk away from such seeming non-sense with a shrug and a grin.  Suppose some of those making the proscribed effort found it to be a bore and a struggle and lost enthusiasm.

Does this little game of make-believe give you a better appreciation of why the Athenians executed Socrates for “corrupting the youth”?


 

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« Reply #1 on: 27/04/2009 17:47:50 »
This is Plato's Cave by another name. How is this example expected to say anything more/different?
 

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« Reply #2 on: 27/04/2009 20:22:04 »
If you don't get it then explaining it kind of ruins it; like explaining a joke.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 27/04/2009 22:24:57 »
With respect - that isn't a reply.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 28/04/2009 00:36:04 »
we only got colour for the investiture of Prince Charles as Prince Of Wales...if that helps.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 28/04/2009 12:51:32 »
This is Plato's Cave by another name. How is this example expected to say anything more/different?


This OP is designed to open the eyes of the general public as to the problems inherent in trying to convince others that there are many aspects of reality that the general public are not aware of and furthermore, are inclined to duck and cover much like a turtle when faced with the unfamiliar.

Neither science nor logic can be used on social problems until there is a consensus of what the problems are, and what goals are worth achieving, this is even before considering how hard it will be to achieve a goal.

These decisions must be made up front to have any hope of an efficient solution. If you don't, you have the bureaucratic equivalent of an autoimmune disease. These goals are not something science can 'decide', but maybe something science can reveal, you need to look at the most fundamental instinctual and emotional goals (not the goals they say they have).

Only when you find a consensus among these goals can social engineering begin, to design and create a form of government that best meets those goals. You must also take into account the fact that people have different needs. Some people want to be cared for, some want to be left alone.


 

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