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« Reply #25 on: 14/09/2005 20:11:12 »
Good News

Jude has abandoned the Bra and looks terrific without it and feels more comfortable.

Thanks guys, have been trying to convince her about this for years :)

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« Reply #26 on: 14/09/2005 21:45:08 »
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Originally posted by Andrew K Fletcher

Good News

Jude has abandoned the Bra and looks terrific without it and feels more comfortable.

Thanks guys, have been trying to convince her about this for years :)

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You're just saying that....lets SEE the evidence please ;)

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« Reply #27 on: 12/03/2008 00:48:40 »
I think that this topic BRA CAUSES CANCER BY 12500%)
deserve more attention. I am sure it will save a few people from misery.

The more publicity this topic gains the more people will be saved from breast cancer misery.
 

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« Reply #28 on: 12/03/2008 01:48:32 »
People just wanna see their breast move more..ha
 

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« Reply #29 on: 12/03/2008 04:18:33 »
Wearing bra has for purpose to artificially enhance appearance of the breasts and to make them more attractive and desirableÖ. By the way I am not interesting to discus about moral or religion but just about facts.

It is striking parallel between wearing the bra and feet binding in old China only after this research is published by Sydney Ross Singer and Soma Grismaijer, the custom of wearing the bra seems far more insane than the custom of feet binding in Old China.
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« Reply #30 on: 12/03/2008 21:46:30 »
If there was a true 12500% increase in the incidence of cancer from ANYTHING much less something as simple as bra-wearing; it would be such an easy career-making topic of research for any young scientist, it would have been jumped on years ago. 

The claim that this non-peer-reviewed study should be veiwed as reputable is pure ignorance; and to presume that the only reason that the scientific community hasn't taken intrest in the topic has to do with the taboo nature of breasts, or some sort of brain-washing by the media is completely juvenile.

I reccomend that the moderators of the forum move this thread to the "that can't be true" forum where it belongs.
 

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« Reply #31 on: 12/03/2008 22:55:36 »
It is very likely that the only problem is that this study isnít conduced on the rats but on the humans.

It seems that many people donít trust in the facts and common sense anymore but they believe only in the ratsí science.
 

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« Reply #32 on: 13/03/2008 10:52:09 »
MayoFlyFarmer, shame on you for trying to remove this thread to That Can't Be True.

The truth of the matter is that more studies will not end up in the ultimate Unique Selling Point that so mant drug trials arrive at. No one is going to get rich by advising people that their bra will probably kill them. This is the reason that many up and coming PHD Students have not jumped on the bra research waggon. In order to do a study one needs to find a vested interest in order to gain funding. While the Health Services around the globe should be looking into the long term problems of wearing a bra in order to reduce the risk of surgery and often useles procedures, it would be far more prudent to address a suspected cause. Better to avoid a condition than to treat one!
 

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« Reply #33 on: 14/03/2008 15:44:29 »
 
It is very likely that the only problem is that this study isnít conduced on the rats but on the humans.

It seems that many people donít trust in the facts and common sense anymore but they believe only in the ratsí science.


actually, those of us who work with model organisms such as mice or rats have to go to great lengths to convince people that our research is relevant to humans.
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« Reply #34 on: 14/03/2008 15:53:09 »
MayoFlyFarmer, shame on you for trying to remove this thread to That Can't Be True.

The truth of the matter is that more studies will not end up in the ultimate Unique Selling Point that so mant drug trials arrive at. No one is going to get rich by advising people that their bra will probably kill them. This is the reason that many up and coming PHD Students have not jumped on the bra research waggon. In order to do a study one needs to find a vested interest in order to gain funding. While the Health Services around the globe should be looking into the long term problems of wearing a bra in order to reduce the risk of surgery and often useles procedures, it would be far more prudent to address a suspected cause. Better to avoid a condition than to treat one!

those of us who work in publicly funded labs aren't looking for things that are going to make anyone rich.  you could use that arguement for a private pharmecutical company, but public institutions are simply interested in the science regardless of its financial prospects.  The only way we have to even come CLOSE to striking it "rich" is to come up with a discovery big and important enough that we become a prestigious name in our feild and are highly sought after by universities.  ANY DISCOVERY THAT A COMMON PRACTICE BY MOST WOMEN CAUSES A 12500% INCREASE IN THE INCIDENCE OF CANCER WOULD BE THIS TYPE OF CAREER MAKING DISCOVERY FOR EVEN AN ESTABLISHED SCIENTIST MUCH LESS A GRADUATE STUDENT!!!!  Also, funding agencies would LOVE to fund research that would be so cheap and easy to conduct and showed potential for such a break-through discovery.

if there was any promise in this feild of study it would have been jumped on by so many people by now, AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED IN A PEER-REVIEWED JOURNAL TO BEGIN WITH!!!!
 

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« Reply #35 on: 17/03/2008 19:32:33 »
Hmm the thought of bra-less women being jumped on raises an eyebrow
 

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« Reply #36 on: 17/03/2008 19:50:07 »
Research into any plausible mechanism for this - say the toxins not getting cleared by the lymphatic system- would proably lead to spinoffs that could be sold.

If this were plausible it would be exploited to the hilt by big pharma.

They have a lot of money to spend on R and D- so much that they can afford to toss away a few tens of thousands verifying or refuting a study like this. Why not? the money get's written off against tax anyway so it barely costs them a bean. If there were even the slightest payoff it would be worth it. Also the prestige of being the company that published the result would be astounding.
 

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« Reply #37 on: 18/03/2008 20:24:30 »
I would have thought the simplest correlation (and as usual, one should never mistake correlation with causality, whether either exist in this case) is that maybe there is a greater propensity for larger breasted women to be more likely to wear bras, and to develop breast cancer.
 

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« Reply #38 on: 20/03/2008 13:23:03 »
I work in cancer research at a wolrd class institution.   lengths to convince people that our research is relevant to humans.

So where is the cancer cure?

$300 hundred million or more given by the public year after year and you have zilch to show for it.

Admit it that cancer research is just self perpetuating money making institutions who don't want a cure as there would be no need for them then.

Research funding is determined by various panels and the members of such panels are employed by various vested interests and thus keep research away from anything that might damage their interests.
 

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« Reply #39 on: 20/03/2008 13:49:08 »
Thing is, see, that cancer ain't "a disease", it's a whole series of things that can go wrong with cells all over the body all of which result in the formation of tumours. The thing is, finding a cure for one type of cancer, whilst it will make life immeasurably better for anyone suffering from that particular form of cancer, won't do a thing for a whole lot of other people.
Whilst that's all desperately depressing on one level it does at least mean that we can be confident NobodySavedMe has been seduced by a groundless antiestablishment fantasy rather than actually having spotted a genuine conspiracy in action.
 

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« Reply #40 on: 20/03/2008 21:12:00 »
"So where is the cancer cure?"
There are plenty; here are some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antineoplastic
so the idea that NobodySavedMe puts forward is simply not real.
 

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« Reply #41 on: 20/03/2008 22:00:00 »
[quote author=NobodySavedMe link=topic=2275.msg161786#msg161786

So where is the cancer cure?

$300 hundred million or more given by the public year after year and you have zilch to show for it.

[/quote]

maybe try picking up any scientific journal published in the past 30 years.  or talk to someone who's had the misfortune of having cancer in the past decade.  or compare survival rates to those ten years ago.

you are right that there is no magic bullet against cancer yet.  but there never will be one.  cancer is way to complex and dynamic of a disease for that.  its all a matter of further understanding how the body is supposed to work, and what goes wrong to cause cancer.
 

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« Reply #42 on: 20/03/2008 22:42:47 »
"So where is the cancer cure?"
There are plenty; here are some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antineoplastic
so the idea that NobodySavedMe puts forward is simply not real.

Yeah,sure those concoctions will cure cancer.

lol.
 

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« Reply #43 on: 20/03/2008 23:13:23 »
"So where is the cancer cure?"
There are plenty; here are some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antineoplastic
so the idea that NobodySavedMe puts forward is simply not real.

Yeah,sure those concoctions will cure cancer.

lol.

Could I ask what qualifies you to doubt them? Are you a cancer researcher?  A scientist? Statistician perhaps?  Or Biochemist?

Why should I agree with you, instead of the many, many qualified researchers who are working very hard to find ways to treat and manage, this incredibly complicated problem?
 

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« Reply #44 on: 21/03/2008 00:06:05 »
"So where is the cancer cure?"
There are plenty; here are some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antineoplastic
so the idea that NobodySavedMe puts forward is simply not real.

Yeah,sure those concoctions will cure cancer.

lol.

Could I ask what qualifies you to doubt them? Are you a cancer researcher?  A scientist? Statistician perhaps?  Or Biochemist?

Why should I agree with you, instead of the many, many qualified researchers who are working very hard to find ways to treat and manage, this incredibly complicated problem?

I am a very in depth student of cancer.I have studied in great depth over the last 5 years from a vast number of sources.

The sad conclusion was that cancer researchers and treatment has stayed the same,the new drugs have very marginal effects and some of the cancer drugs actually cause more cancer.The cancer industry has artifically improved survival rates by detecting cancer earlier and earlier and the Lancet journal concluded after a in depth study that people who don't get chemo actually live longer.

Come on now.Let us be reasonable.You don't really believe it deep down when they come on the tv every week with another wonder drug of the week after the one they were peddling last week.Do you?

At the end of the day the true measure of success is the reduction in the headstones count from cancer which has not changed no matter how you massage the figures.

Over 560000 deaths from cancer every year in the United States.
 

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« Reply #45 on: 21/03/2008 01:18:01 »
I wonder if Gordon Brown is going to suggest that brasiers have a health warning printed on them, like they do with cigarets.

I'm thinking of starting smoking, could somebody recommend a site on how to learn to smoke? I was thinking of trying a pipe but I haven't a clue where to start, it will look cool though.
 

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« Reply #46 on: 21/03/2008 01:20:33 »
At the end of the day the true measure of success is the reduction in the headstones count from cancer which has not changed no matter how you massage the figures.

If you don't take into account the age profile, then this is meaningless.

If all you are doing is looking at headstone counts - the fact of the matter is there is a 100% mortality - we all die - so the only question is, of what, and when.  The only way to avoid dying of cancer is to die of something else; so simply reducing the number of deaths from cancer is not necessarily a positive move unless you have some preferred means of death.

If you are asking what percentage of people will live beyond a given age, and if you have an increase in survivors, what percentage of those survivors would have died of cancer in past generations, then it is a more meaningful question; but simply asking how many people died of cancer, without qualification, tells us nothing useful.
 

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« Reply #47 on: 21/03/2008 14:09:03 »
Here in the UK the drugs used to treat cancer (and other illneses) are paid for by the government. It has a specific comittee that exists to check which drugs represent good value for money.
http://www.nice.org.uk/
Are you saying they are liars or fools?
 

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« Reply #48 on: 21/03/2008 15:16:28 »


I am a very in depth student of cancer.I have studied in great depth over the last 5 years from a vast number of sources.


Do you care to qualify that statement at all???


The sad conclusion was that cancer researchers and treatment has stayed the same,the new drugs have very marginal effects

And what amazing cures have YOU come up with in your lifetime??

The cancer industry has artifically improved survival rates by detecting cancer earlier and earlier

How is it a BAD thing that we have learned to detect cancer earlier??  This is probably the number one way that we have increased the cancer survival rate, and you state it as if its some way that the cancer research field is pulling the wool over society's eyes.  Any way that we can help a person have a better fighting chance of not being overcome to cancer is a step in the right direction.  And this didn't come about by accident, its the result of year of painstaking research by the people whom you are denouncing. 

Come on now.Let us be reasonable.You don't really believe it deep down when they come on the tv every week with another wonder drug of the week after the one they were peddling last week.Do you?

When was the last time you saw a TV comercial for a Cemo therapy drug or the newest in gene-therapy techniques???

At the end of the day the true measure of success is the reduction in the headstones count from cancer which has not changed no matter how you massage the figures.

Who's massaging the figures here??  The rate of survival is undisputably higher.  Just because the rate of incidence of cancer is also higher doesn't mean that the therapies haven't improved!


Over 560000 deaths from cancer every year in the United States.

And you think we should stop giving money to research to fight it???
 

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« Reply #49 on: 21/03/2008 23:10:24 »
It is hard to comprehend why need to discus about useless cancer research when the research of Sydney Ross Singer and Soma Grismaijer undoubtedly shows that wearing bra is responsible for breast cancer incidence.

On the other side discovery that wearing the bra cause breast cancer is not good for the breast cancer professionals and the breast cancer industry and it is understandable why they ignoring this discovery. If they admit that wearing the bra is responsible for breast cancer they will lose lucrative income, lucrative career, social status etc.
It is understandable that it doesnít mater how much stronger evidence are presented they will be ignored and rejected by this people.

Further more if people knew that just being bra free will protects them from breast cancer will raise other questions.

On the other waste number of people beehive that in near future the genetic science and stem cells science will enable miracles cure and because of that they accepting everything what coming from established medical professionals and everything that contradict to mainstream science they rejecting without thinking. 
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