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« on: 20/05/2009 08:46:21 »
Hi , which is cheapest odourless organic solvent other than Water ?


 

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« Reply #1 on: 20/05/2009 08:47:46 »
I'm afraid water is not organic, mate.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 20/05/2009 08:50:18 »
NaCl(s) + H2O(l)?
 

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« Reply #3 on: 20/05/2009 08:51:10 »
What's that for?
 

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« Reply #4 on: 20/05/2009 08:51:39 »
Do you mean organic as in containing carbon, or in the modern conception of natural (as in organic vegetables)?
 

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« Reply #5 on: 20/05/2009 08:52:09 »
I'm afraid water is not organic, mate.

C4M is on the button. Things are only organic if they have a carbon basis.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 20/05/2009 08:52:54 »
What's that for?

Saline solution? It's not strictly water...
 

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« Reply #7 on: 20/05/2009 09:51:55 »
I was gonna say VINEGAR but It is not odorless and  I have no idea if it is organic by any of the criteria mentioned above.
 

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« Reply #8 on: 20/05/2009 09:54:25 »
Yes, it contains ethanoic acid, CH3COOH.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 20/05/2009 09:58:32 »
Is that Yes its organic..or not?
 

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« Reply #10 on: 20/05/2009 10:00:28 »
Yes, ethanoic acid is organic, it contains carbon atoms. :)
 

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« Reply #11 on: 20/05/2009 10:19:53 »
Thanks!
 

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« Reply #12 on: 20/05/2009 16:47:13 »
Organic -
# relating or belonging to the class of chemical compounds having a carbon basis; "hydrocarbons are organic compounds"
# being or relating to or derived from or having properties characteristic of living organisms; "organic life"; "organic growth"; "organic remains found in rock"
# involving or affecting physiology or bodily organs; "an organic disease"
# of or relating to foodstuff grown or raised without synthetic fertilizers or pesticides or hormones; "organic eggs"; "organic vegetables"; "organic chicken"
# simple and healthful and close to nature; "an organic lifestyle"
# a fertilizer that is derived from animal or vegetable matter
# constituent(a): constitutional in the structure of something (especially your physical makeup)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

If you want to be understood, you will have to specify which meaning of the word you are talking about. Saying that there is only one  acceptable and true meaning for "organic" (the first in this list) results in science getting alienated from most other people. Do you want to communicate or do you want to be right while in company only with people like yourself?
 

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« Reply #13 on: 20/05/2009 18:43:02 »
There's the other half of the problem too.
Vinegar may be organic (by any of a number of definitions) but, from the point of view of candle wax, it isn't a solvent.

What do you want to dissolve?
 

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« Reply #14 on: 20/05/2009 23:29:51 »
Hi , which is cheapest odourless organic solvent other than Water ?
used motor oil  :)
 

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« Reply #15 on: 21/05/2009 01:20:57 »
Hi , which is cheapest odourless organic solvent other than Water ?
used motor oil  :)
Yes, and Petrol could also be used and it is cheaper than motor oil.
 

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« Reply #16 on: 21/05/2009 06:21:19 »
Organic -
# relating or belonging to the class of chemical compounds having a carbon basis; "hydrocarbons are organic compounds"
# being or relating to or derived from or having properties characteristic of living organisms; "organic life"; "organic growth"; "organic remains found in rock"
# involving or affecting physiology or bodily organs; "an organic disease"
# of or relating to foodstuff grown or raised without synthetic fertilizers or pesticides or hormones; "organic eggs"; "organic vegetables"; "organic chicken"
# simple and healthful and close to nature; "an organic lifestyle"
# a fertilizer that is derived from animal or vegetable matter
# constituent(a): constitutional in the structure of something (especially your physical makeup)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

If you want to be understood, you will have to specify which meaning of the word you are talking about. Saying that there is only one  acceptable and true meaning for "organic" (the first in this list) results in science getting alienated from most other people. Do you want to communicate or do you want to be right while in company only with people like yourself?

Thanks Karsten There are certainly more meanings in your list that I am familiar with as organic...Thanks for making that point!
 

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« Reply #17 on: 21/05/2009 07:21:36 »
Urea! I think that's pretty cheap to make? ;D
 

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« Reply #18 on: 21/05/2009 07:24:09 »
Urea! I think that's pretty cheap to make? ;D

Not exactly odourless though, is it!!!
 

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« Reply #19 on: 21/05/2009 07:29:34 »
Yeah, that fact that the solvent has to be odourless is a major pain in the backside.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 21/05/2009 07:54:59 »
Urea! I think that's pretty cheap to make? ;D

Not exactly odourless though, is it!!!
Why shouldn't it be odourless? Pure urea is.
However it's difficult that one could use it as solvent, since it's a solid substance...
 

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« Reply #21 on: 21/05/2009 07:55:53 »
Hi , which is cheapest odourless organic solvent other than Water ?
used motor oil  :)
Yes, and Petrol could also be used and it is cheaper than motor oil.
You can have used motor oil for nothing, or, you can even be paid to dispose of it! Do you have petrol for less than nothing in your area? Lucky people  :)
« Last Edit: 21/05/2009 08:00:11 by lightarrow »
 

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« Reply #22 on: 21/05/2009 08:17:38 »
Petrol is quite cheap in the UK, if you take out the duty, the VAT and the VAT on the duty!!!
 

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« Reply #23 on: 21/05/2009 12:01:32 »
Petrol is quite cheap in the UK, if you take out the duty, the VAT and the VAT on the duty!!!
Ah, so it's as here in Italy  :)
Do you know that we still pay a tax for I world war (yes, it's the first WW, no mistake) when we buy petrol here in Italy?  >:(
 

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« Reply #24 on: 21/05/2009 15:33:15 »
Only a very few years ago, I remember hearing that the British Government announced that they had paid off their loan from the USA for the First World War.
 

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