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« Reply #150 on: 26/05/2008 20:47:01 »
I hate to dampen your enthusiasm but. . . .
 

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« Reply #151 on: 26/05/2008 22:22:50 »
If you put a flag on a thin stick in a vacuum and twang it, it will oscilate a lot more than it would in an atmosphere. A twanged flag would appear to be similar to a fluttering flag in a wind.

This would be easy to demonstrate. We could send some more people to the moon and then set up a flag and twang it on camera. Or, you could set up a model flag in a vacuum along with a radio controled model of Dave Scott. Simply make the Dave Scott model brush against the flag and observe what happens.

 

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« Reply #152 on: 27/05/2008 20:51:52 »
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Ive got a theory that as the flag couldn't have moved for no reason it therefore must have moved due to something that couldn't be seen.  I therefore believe that the most reasonable explanation must be a micro meteoroid travelling at many thousands of miles an hour and so small that it couldn't be observed hitting the flag.As it past through the material it imparted some of its energy to the flag causing the flag to move . Thankfully the astronaut had just stepped forward allowing it to pass millimetres away from his leg a micro second later  [:0]  :)

I know the chances of one hitting the flag at the time that it was being filmed are very very very small but as millions of these things hit the moon every year as their is no real atmosphere to burn them up the event occurring is quite possible. All my evidence that the event occurred was provided by an independent source ,namely you .

If you do not believe in my theory can i ask you to prove otherwise by using only the evidence which i used which was originally supplied by you and initially used as your evidence.

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« Reply #153 on: 29/05/2008 00:21:14 »
Does anyone know of the actual construction of the original flag and stick?
 

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« Reply #154 on: 29/05/2008 00:33:53 »
Does anyone know of the actual construction of the original flag and stick?


That was one of my thoughts as well. Since weight at take off has to be as low as possible, it would have to be very flimsey affair.
 

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« Reply #155 on: 31/05/2008 22:42:59 »
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I think the comments posted below it talking about static, or ground transmitted vibration look eminently reasonable.
The astronaut walks by the flag at other points in the clip and the flag doesn't move. 

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Why would NASA have been dumb enough to publish it if it were a threat to the conspiracy they sought to maintain?
They didn't notice it.

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Ive got a theory that as the flag couldn't have moved for no reason it therefore must have moved due to something that couldn't be seen.  I therefore believe that the most reasonable explanation must be a micro meteoroid travelling at many thousands of miles an hour and so small that it couldn't be observed hitting the flag.As it past through the material it imparted some of its energy to the flag causing the flag to move . Thankfully the astronaut had just stepped forward allowing it to pass millimetres away from his leg a micro second later   

I know the chances of one hitting the flag at the time that it was being filmed are very very very small but as millions of these things hit the moon every year as their is no real atmosphere to burn them up the event occurring is quite possible. All my evidence that the event occurred was provided by an independent source ,namely you .

If you do not believe in my theory can i ask you to prove otherwise by using only the evidence which i used which was originally supplied by you and initially used as your evidence.

There's lots of other evidence of a hoax.

Look at the way the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing move.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4
(first ten seconds and last 30 seconds)

It's pretty different from the way the corner of the jacket Collins is wearing moves.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=I_CMgqitv98

The woman astronaut is in real zero-G and Collins is probably in a plane that's diving to simulate zero-G that isn't diving quite fast enough as gravity is pulling down the corners of his jacket.

There's the issue of the size of the reflection of the sun in the astronauts' visors.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=sgID31UpYfA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhoWabHSm_g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1gD2P-Po_Gk
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EaV7QB_ReTw

There's lots more.

What Happened on the Moon" (documentary)
Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3622009579385499503

Part 2
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-3186616594425246748

Was it Only a Paper Moon? (documentary)
http://www.thule.org/brains/moon.rm

Man Didn't Land on the Moon (documentary)
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736

A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon (documentary)
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-7335269088210976286

After seeing all of the other evidence of a hoax, I'd say it was a breeze caused by the astronaut's passing that made the flag move.
 

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« Reply #156 on: 31/05/2008 22:53:39 »
it was not a hoax because for part of this Saturday evening I was
watching a Channel4 documentary programme about the Moon Landings!!

With interviews by the actual astronauts also the Russian cosmonauts and in the very first try out rocket for that, the whole crew died.
Previously the rockets went up in fireballs. All on video and wonky too.

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/S/shadow_moon/

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/S/shadow_moon/programme/programme.html
 

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« Reply #157 on: 01/06/2008 21:03:46 »
Cosmored,
Do you realise you are repeating yourself?
the movements of the jackets of two people, one standing still, the other running on a treadmill, are not going to be the same.
 

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« Reply #158 on: 01/06/2008 21:06:05 »
Why is this thread on "New Theories"?
It's one of the OLDEST discredited theories to be found in any of the fora.
 

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« Reply #159 on: 02/06/2008 20:37:08 »
   I think it's because the old one didn't fly, and everyone thinks they have the magic solution(that the rest of the world is somehow oblivious to) that will finally make it work. It's like a NEW prototype of the same OLD BS!
   
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« Reply #160 on: 03/06/2008 09:57:59 »
I saw Elvis in Sainsbury's the other day.
 

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« Reply #161 on: 03/06/2008 19:37:14 »
He works down the chipshop.
 

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« Reply #162 on: 06/06/2008 10:26:46 »
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After seeing all of the other evidence of a hoax, I'd say it was a breeze caused by the astronaut's passing that made the flag move.

Strange. How can there be breeze when there is no air in the first place?
 

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« Reply #163 on: 06/06/2008 23:10:19 »
Can you be sure how a flag would behave in a vacuum, once given a nudge?
No damping due to air. Just a vertical length of steel wire and a piece of plastic on the end. Why would it not go on waving about for minutes after it was nudged?
 

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« Reply #164 on: 11/07/2008 10:03:07 »
I haven't checked here in a while.

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Why would it not go on waving about for minutes after it was nudged?
It was shown in slow-motion. 

http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1021

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the movements of the jackets of two people, one standing still, the other running on a treadmill, are not going to be the same.
This is a pretty simplistic statement.  Collins' jacket corner hangs and the corners of the woman astronaut's jacket float.

All that's necessary though is to look at the corner of Collins' jacket.  As Collins goes up, the corner of the jacket goes up too but it doesn't continue going up as it would in zero-G.  It comes back down the way it would in gravity.  There is no other identifiable force that would make it come back down.  The fabric of Collins' jacket is too loose for pressure to push the corner from the left or from above.

 

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« Reply #165 on: 14/07/2008 22:53:21 »
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It was shown in slow-motion. 
You have evidence of this? What period of oscillation would you predict for a piece of plastic on the end of a very thin, 1.5m, steel wire?
 

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« Reply #166 on: 15/07/2008 21:00:39 »
"This is a pretty simplistic statement."
Good simple is often right.
"but it doesn't continue going up as it would in zero-G. "
Is that the voice of experience or are you making it up?
 

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« Reply #167 on: 15/07/2008 23:25:41 »
"Is that the voice of experience or are you making it up?"

Can we place bets on the possible answer to this question?
 

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« Reply #168 on: 19/07/2008 19:05:52 »
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As Collins goes up, the corner of the jacket goes up too but it doesn't continue going up as it would in zero-G.  It comes back down the way it would in gravity.  There is no other identifiable force that would make it come back down.
Ever heard of wave motion? You can make a rope 'snake' up and down with 0g, 1g or 10g, with or without atmosphere. So it wouldn't be a surprise for the corners of fabric to be moving either way.

Why do you 'want', so desperately, for the Landings to have been faked?
Disregarding the quasi-Science arguments against them, is there any actual testimony from the people involved?

Could you really imagine some absolutely clinching verbal evidence not having emerged during all that elapsed time?

Can you answer the question as to how 'they' actually managed to fake it so well?

As I have said before - was there any possible way they could have arranged for the radio reception to have mimicked that of a genuine moonshot? What alternative orbit could they have had which would have given the impression of the transmissions coming from the Moon? Do you know any Newtonian Physics?
 

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« Reply #169 on: 19/07/2008 21:03:12 »

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Why would it not go on waving about for minutes after it was nudged?
It was shown in slow-motion. 


How would expect a bit of cloth to move in a vacuum if it was nudged?
 

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« Reply #170 on: 19/07/2008 23:55:53 »
It would probably move in the same way as a chain would in air, i.e. a situation where viscosity of Air is not relevant. It would just exhibit wave motion - damped only by the friction between the fibres.
 

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« Reply #171 on: 29/07/2008 14:49:27 »
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It was shown in slow-motion. 
You have evidence of this? What period of oscillation would you predict for a piece of plastic on the end of a very thin, 1.5m, steel wire?
I don't know how to calculate oscillation. My evidence is the difference in body movements between the earlier missions and the later missions.
 
http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1021
 
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Is that the voice of experience or are you making it up?
I'm just going on Newton's first law of motion.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion
 
The force of Collins' upward movement makes the corner go up but it doesn't continue going up as it would in zero-gravity.  There's no identifiable force stopping it from going up except gravity.
 
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Can you answer the question as to how 'they' actually managed to fake it so well?
That's the problem.  They didn't fake it well.  There's all kinds of evidence of its having been faked.
 
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As I have said before - was there any possible way they could have arranged for the radio reception to have mimicked that of a genuine moonshot? What alternative orbit could they have had which would have given the impression of the transmissions coming from the Moon?

According to the official story they'd landed several robot craft on the moon before the manned landings.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/surveyor/surveyor.html
 
If they really had that technology, it's plausible that there was a robot craft on the moon sending signals that fooled the people at Mission Control.
 
Here's some more stuff I found if anyone wants to delve further.
http://es.youtube.com/results?search_query=moonfaker&search_type=&aq=f
 

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« Reply #172 on: 29/07/2008 15:37:17 »
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The force of Collins' upward movement makes the corner go up but it doesn't continue going up as it would in zero-gravity.
If you make statements like that, I'm afraid you totally disqualify yourself from airing any further opinions. HOW would there, possibly, be zero gravity on the Moon's surface? The Moon would just fall apart if there were no gravity on its surface.
1. Learn some basic Science.
2. When you know enough, start having some opinions of your own; you may be taken seriously then. Furthermore, you will be in a position to spot genuine nonsense when it is presented to you.

 Given that there are alternative views, i.e. it was faked / it wasn't faked doesn't mean that each is equally valid. A charismatic website which claims it was faked could, just possibly, be wrong. If you don't know enough to judge competently then you could, just possibly be fooled by it - just the same as you claim 'we' have all been 'fooled'. The difference is that 'we' know some Science.

 

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« Reply #173 on: 29/07/2008 15:42:00 »
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Is that the voice of experience or are you making it up?
I'm just going on Newton's first law of motion.
 
1. What does Newton's First Law tell you?
2. How does it apply to the situation?
 

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« Reply #174 on: 29/07/2008 15:55:54 »
I have a general question about this subject.
Is it easier to fake some evidence for a UTube presentation or to fake the evidence for a Moonshot?
Who would 'believe' anything they see on Utube?
 

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