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Offline richard weathers

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Hello,

If the universe as we know it was created from an uncontrolled bursting forth,  how is it that our solar system formed in the structure of an atom?

The atom has a nucleus surrounded by at least one electron in a valence band; with further sub-atomic particles "orbiting" those electron(s).  The Sun serves as a nucleus with the planets orbiting as electrons orbit the nucleus in the atom; with moon etc. "orbiting" like sub-atomic particles do.

I have proffered the question in various academic groups with no response or with no plausible explanation.  If indeed the big bang was a chaotic explosion, how do you answer the question above?

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« Reply #1 on: 28/05/2009 17:42:58 »
how is it that our solar system formed in the structure of an atom?

Because models of the atom were based on the solar system, e.g. Saturnian model and the Bohr model.

The electron cloud model has superseded these solar-system type models.

Some animations of "orbitals" (electron probability distribution "clouds") can be seen at he bottom of this page.
« Last Edit: 28/05/2009 18:07:50 by RD »
 

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« Reply #2 on: 28/05/2009 20:15:59 »
Most scientists probably would agree the order (organization) doesn't come from random chaos.  You took a front-end loader and fill it with wood, pipes, electrical wire, fiberboard, etc.you could dump it and redump it to eternity and it would never form a house.  Everything in the house would also have to align at the exact same time or else you would have to start over again.  The answers to this question, as I wrote originally, deserves a honest answer. If this is normal  phenomenon that just occurs, you would expect to see it elsewhere.  True scientist are open-mind; they just want to know the truth about things.  They serve no one else's agenda.  On the other hand, if one has an agenda, they exhibit a "confirmation bias" which is adverse to the scientific method because they only see what they want to see.  Very unscientific.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 28/05/2009 20:51:23 »
Overall entropy always increases.
At the big bang the universe was in a more ordered state than today,
 so order has not come from chaos as you seem to be suggesting.
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« Reply #4 on: 29/05/2009 01:20:38 »
Perhaps you should reread my comments.  I whole heartily agree that order produces order; therefore the "big bang" had some prime mover of an orderly nature.  I'm trying to appeal to reason.  I'm not interested in simply arguing.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 29/05/2009 03:42:24 »
I whole heartily agree that order produces order

I never said that, quite the reverse ...

Ever increasing entropy means overall the universe is increasingly disordered.

Have a look at the wikipedia link on entropy
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« Reply #6 on: 31/05/2009 16:42:41 »
Perhaps you should reread my comments.  I whole heartily agree that order produces order; therefore the "big bang" had some prime mover of an orderly nature.  I'm trying to appeal to reason.  I'm not interested in simply arguing.

There is no implied reason in what you say. If you take a very long random number then, within it, you will very likely find a sequence 1 2 3 4 5 6. That's an apparent chance occurrence of some order amongst a very disordered array. It don't prove a thing! It's just the way it happens to be.
 

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