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Why do people insist that NASA made up the Moon landings?
« Reply #25 on: 03/08/2009 14:19:22 »
What, instead, hits me of that photo (the entire one in the link) is this particular:
look at the 'foot' of the LEM up: it seems at the edge of a little hill or crater or something alike. Isnt'it strange to have placed the LEM there?
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« Reply #26 on: 03/08/2009 14:46:16 »
Didn't they always have to find the least worst spot? No second approaches available.

I didn't realise that my nasal hair was a conspiracy. I thought it was real - isn't everyone's?
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« Reply #27 on: 06/08/2009 02:05:10 »



I've just found out that this photo is part of a pan series which shows that there is nothing that can explain the tripod type setup in the left piece of reflective foil.

The full photo sequence is AS15-87-11822 to AS15-87-11839
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11822HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11823HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11824HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11825HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11826HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11827HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11828HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11829HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11830HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11831HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11832HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11833HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11834HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11835HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11836HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11837HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11838HR.jpg [nofollow]
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11839HR.jpg [nofollow]


 

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Why do people insist that NASA made up the Moon landings?
« Reply #28 on: 06/08/2009 07:27:42 »
A farmer watched as a neighbor built an airplane. He told others that his neighbor would never get it off the ground. The big day arrived and everyone including the skeptic came out to watch whatever happened. The airplane roared down the pasture and lifted itself into a perfect climb. Someone asked the skeptic after the plane went out of sight, "Well, what do you have to say, now?"  The skeptic replied with absolute  conviction, "He'll never get it down."  Things do happen that are beyond our comprehension. An event too far afield of our experience (frame of reference) might be disbelieved very sincerely. What do you suppose a caveman might say of Disneyworld. (No offense to my troglodite friends).
 

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Why do people insist that NASA made up the Moon landings?
« Reply #29 on: 06/08/2009 13:11:00 »
It would have been trivial for the Russians to prove that the US was not on the moon at that time. All that had to do is claim that radio transmissions werenít coming from the moon. But since they were and that would be impossible to fake with even modern technology the conspiracy idiots ignore this all too simple fact.
 

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Why do people insist that NASA made up the Moon landings?
« Reply #30 on: 06/08/2009 14:11:30 »



I've just found out that this photo is part of a pan series which shows that there is nothing that can explain the tripod type setup in the left piece of reflective foil.

The full photo sequence is AS15-87-11822 to AS15-87-11839
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11822HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11823HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11824HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11825HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11826HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11827HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11828HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11829HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11830HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11831HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11832HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11833HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11834HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11835HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11836HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11837HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11838HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11839HR.jpg

I strongly suspect that the two-legged 'tripod' feature you refer to was the astronaut who left the footprints visible in image AS15-87-11837HR.jpg.
 

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« Reply #31 on: 06/08/2009 14:56:06 »
It would have been trivial for the Russians to prove that the US was not on the moon at that time. All that had to do is claim that radio transmissions werenít coming from the moon. But since they were and that would be impossible to fake with even modern technology the conspiracy idiots ignore this all too simple fact.
That is an absolute clincher of an argument. It has to remove ANY doubt that there was someone there when they said they were. I don't think the conspiracy theorists understand the first thing about the geometry a d dynamics of a Moon shot.
 

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« Reply #32 on: 06/08/2009 15:00:47 »
It would have been trivial for the Russians to prove that the US was not on the moon at that time. All that had to do is claim that radio transmissions werenít coming from the moon. But since they were and that would be impossible to fake with even modern technology the conspiracy idiots ignore this all too simple fact.
That is an absolute clincher of an argument. It has to remove ANY doubt that there was someone there when they said they were. I don't think the conspiracy theorists understand the first thing about the geometry a d dynamics of a Moon shot.
Ok, but the fact there was a transmission coming from there doesn't mean that astronauts landed there.
 

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« Reply #33 on: 06/08/2009 19:00:56 »
 [^]They would have needed not to be in orbit if the transmissions were continuous. [^]


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« Reply #34 on: 06/08/2009 20:26:03 »
[^]They would have needed not to be in orbit if the transmissions were continuous. [^]


OK?

Of course, but what "would have needed not to be in orbit"? The astronauts or a transmitter? The astronauts could have stayed in orbit and make a simple module land on the Moon. Would they really have risked the astronaut's death? Maybe. But it was too important that this didn't happen, all the world where looking at them and there was also the cold war.
I want to point out that I'm just speculating for conversation's sake, I'm not a conspiracist :).
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Why do people insist that NASA made up the Moon landings?
« Reply #35 on: 06/08/2009 23:08:41 »
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Ok, but the fact there was a transmission coming from there doesn't mean that astronauts landed there.
They might have claimed that we sent machines which landed on the moon and transmitted those radio signals but thatís stretching it a bit too far. Not to mention that the conspiracy theorists never admit this possibility. Itís clear that they never thought of something this obvious Ė or if they did they werenít prepared to explain it. Iíd like to see them claim that we had the ability to send machines and not people. When the astronauts went to the moon they broadcasted radio waves continuously (to monitor life signs etc). Russian scientists must have monitored all those transmissions just waiting for the opportunity to prove it was a hoax or find something wrong or wait for an accident/screw up. Those scientists can tell the origin of those radio waves by triangulating the radio signals. Thus it was quite easy to tell that those signals originated from the surface of the Moon. If someone wants to say that they were actually machines sending out those signals then let them do so and weíll address that when it comes.

Then again I canít prove to you that Iím not a machine myself, can I? :)
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« Reply #36 on: 06/08/2009 23:44:59 »
If the crew were in orbit, then how could they be using the radio link on the surface when they were on the other side?????
You'll have to do better than that, lightarrow.
 

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Why do people insist that NASA made up the Moon landings?
« Reply #37 on: 07/08/2009 00:00:25 »
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Would they really have risked the astronaut's death?
Yes, most definitely. It was a huge risk even getting into that rocket and lighting it up. Heck, the worst accident in the history of the Apollo program was when a fire broke out during a test and killed the three astronauts inside. The greater risk would be to get caught in a hoax. The astronauts knew that they were risking their lives and they did so willingly.
 

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« Reply #38 on: 07/08/2009 12:44:42 »
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Would they really have risked the astronaut's death?
Yes, most definitely. It was a huge risk even getting into that rocket and lighting it up. Heck, the worst accident in the history of the Apollo program was when a fire broke out during a test and killed the three astronauts inside. The greater risk would be to get caught in a hoax. The astronauts knew that they were risking their lives and they did so willingly.
I didn't mean that. I meant that it would have been much worse to risk the astronauts' death *on the Moon's surface*. It would have been a much greater psychological defeat, for the entire world's eyes and for the moon race too.
 

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« Reply #39 on: 07/08/2009 12:52:23 »
If the crew were in orbit, then how could they be using the radio link on the surface when they were on the other side?????
You'll have to do better than that, lightarrow.
Can you explain this better? I don't know not much about this subject. Why did they necessarily have a radio link? Couldn't an hypothetical transmitter on the Moon's surface simply answer pre-recorded voices electronically activated by every call of mission control?
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« Reply #40 on: 07/08/2009 17:39:06 »
If you are in an orbiting craft and you want to talk to Earth, you have to be able to contact (see) this ground based link. So you would be restricted to communicating when you were Earthside. That would have been painfully obvious to Russians etc. . They would have been aware of all this and would have either spotted it and mentioned it at the time or later. Well, wouldn't they have spotted the fact that the contact with the (official) crew of the command module was in the same intervals as the communication with the  claimed ground crew? I think even I would have spotted that if I had been a Soviet, dieing to discredit the Yanks.
In fact, it would be better not to use a ground based link at all because you could see the Earth for more time than you could see this ground location (below horizon more when in a low orbit than the view of the Earth).

I imaging the call times are ALL logged and on record! The proof / disproof of this particular theory is there to be accessed. Only one single call which doesn't fit in with orbit times is sufficient to disprove it.

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Why do people insist that NASA made up the Moon landings?
« Reply #41 on: 08/08/2009 14:53:47 »
Why does neil armstrong keeps quiet about the moon landing? I feel that the first landing was a hoax. The rest were real.
 

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« Reply #42 on: 08/08/2009 18:33:39 »
On what basis? Just because of one person's reaction to what must have been an overwhelming experience? Post traumatic stress if ever it existed.
It strikes me that they got an amazing number of things RIGHT about life up there the first time if it really was faked. Hollywood got it wrong every time, before they showed them what it was really like.
 

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« Reply #43 on: 11/08/2009 02:39:28 »
There is a thing I don't understand about Moon's surface: if you want to land there, how do you know that you won't land in a hole of dust and that you won't sink down it?
 

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