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The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« on: 25/08/2005 21:21:50 »
Prevention is better than cure.

The best way to prevent and eventually wipe out the transmission of, Aids, Chlamydia, herpes, gonorrhea, and syphilis, hepatitis etc is to compulsory test everyone, and all new entrants into our country

Anyone found to have an untreatable infection should be given a small tattoo on there inner thigh so any sexual partners would be able to see it.
It would wipe out most new cases of STDs in this country and save hundreds of millions of pounds.
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So the question is

Should everyone be tested for STDs, and should all those found to have an STD be made to carry a small tattoo on there inner thigh as a warning to others.
« Last Edit: 25/08/2005 21:36:36 by ukmicky »


 

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #1 on: 26/08/2005 00:40:33 »
its a great idea scientificly, but people with STDs may feel its a violation of their rights. another issue is some STDs, esspecially herpes, can be transmitted some times and not others depending on outbreaks. another thing is aids and im sure other diseases can be transferred to babies born to infected mothers.

if it was actually carried out, it could drasticly reduce growth of STDs, maybe... but one must consider some people would take their chances and feel a condom is enough, others may be intoxicated or otherwise not notice the tattoo, and spread the disease. and then there are people with the disease without a tatoo, how often would these people be checked?

not to mention it would cost large amounts of money and a huge effort to actually test every person in any country.
 

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #2 on: 26/08/2005 02:29:27 »
It would never eradicate STDs but it could go a long way to making it less prevalent.
I think most people would look for the tattoo and sooner or later it would become second nature to do so, and if someone didnít look and caught something then when there re-test date came round say every 5 years it would mean them getting a tattoo preventing them from passing it on to all but the stupid.

I could be wrong and Iím sure someone will tell me if I am, but if a child is born by cesarean section i think it can prevent them from catching aids from their mothers but in the end if they did catch aids then it would mean them getting a tattoo.

If the people with the infections felt that they were being picked on by having a tattoo then make the people without an infection have a tattoo also but a different one that can be change if they catch an infection.
The cost of the tests would be far less than the future cost due to infections. It would be the best way forward for the country and even the world, especially when you consider how widespread the HIV virus has become in such a short time.
Think of the lives it would save.
 

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #3 on: 26/08/2005 02:37:55 »
It is a concept which in my view would reduce transmission. It is also however probably not acceptable to majorities of voters in most Western representative government nations.

The "status quo" in most nations with populations of HIV+ individuals is that some of the HIV+ individuals do not know that they carry the disease. They should know, because they contracted it through their risky behaviors, but they do not know or do not wish to know. So they pass it along with no feelings of guilt. Mandatory testing would eliminate this situation, and a tattoo would perhaps decrease willingness of others to become infected.

You would think that this would not be necessary. But the sex urge in humans is more powerful than the urge to survive in cases such as HIV wherein the carrier is not obviously ill until the late stages. Also, in the case of prostitution, having sex IS survival, because that is where the money for a plate of rice comes from.
The human race is in big trouble, especially in India, China, Russia, and Nigeria. Those are the nations that will be struck by the next "wave" of HIV.

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #4 on: 26/08/2005 03:08:34 »
Thats why we elect our goverments, so they can make the tough decisions, there are a lot of laws in the uk that i'm not happy with but i have to live with them because i have no choice too.
The problem with Aids is it has already got out of control and unless drastic measure's are taken now then it could become as prevalent in the western world as it is in africa. Which would mean no sensible person would have sex with somebody unless they could prove they didnt have aids.  so the goverments may as well make it compulsary to take a test and get a tattoo.
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« Reply #5 on: 26/08/2005 11:35:12 »
This has been tried before back in 1938 a man named Adolf Hitler decided that certain groups in society should have "tattoos" or markings to show that they belonged to these groups.

What about human rights? What about the rights of a person to be able to walk the street without fear of persecution.

Your idea would not erradicate STDs because you are implying that only immigrants carry STDs. You are also forgetting that someone with an STD can rape someone therefore your stupid tattoo idea wouldn't work.

The only way to erradicate STDs and AIDS is through proper health education. By ensuring people use contraceptives and practice safe sex and by ensuring that IV drug abusers do not share needles.

We should be providing contraceptives completely free of charge and we should be providing clean needles to IV drug abusers.

In my medical career I worked with AIDS patients and didn't become infected because I used proper infection control procedures.

I always practice safe sex and always have a sexual health check after every partner.

This is how we erradicate STDs and AIDS. The solution you are suggesting borders on racism and communism.

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #6 on: 26/08/2005 12:22:46 »
Nicely said Dr Kev.

Little England is sadly anti-immigrant. Readers of the Sun and Daily mail are brainwashed with all this crap about immigrants being the source of all evil in the country.

If it wasn't for immigrants there would be no cheap labour, no supermarket price wars, no low taxes, no minimum wage ( or less) workers cleaning our hospitals and working in restaurants and hotels.

See immigrants as the US sees them - as human capital. Do you think the US invited over the "poor and huddled masses" to give them a nice long holiday? more like a workforce of Italians and Jews to be exploited.

What is the most successful country in history?

The USA. Founded upon waves of immigration.


p.s - tattoos can be removed!





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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #7 on: 26/08/2005 14:29:59 »
...and when the person is STD free....is the removal of said tattoo (which can costs 1000s) going to be free of charge ?...and scar free ?

....personally I think they should have the tattoo on their forehead and made to carry a placard....even better would be to have the placard surgically attached to their back as carrying it around would be heavy on the arms, and having it attached would leave them ' arms free '

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #8 on: 26/08/2005 18:13:09 »
TO drkev & Corbeille

What about the rights of the people who havenít got an infection and practice Safe sex, and catch STDís from people who knowingly have an infection
Also there isnít any such thing as safe sex, Are you trying to tell me you have never had a condom break. Maybe Iím just big ?.

 And if it could virtually eliminate STDíS from our countries and future generations are you saying it wouldnít be worth it.

Itís nothing like Hitler, weíre talking about life threatening and contagious virusís here.
Not ethnic cleansing. It has got nothing to do with racism

And it has also got nothing to do with the persecution of migrants,
 And excuse me but where was i implying   "that only immigrants carry STDs".
I said everyone in the country would have to be tested including any immigrants who are welcomed into our countries

:) And as for the English not liking immigrants we have welcomed more immigrants into the UK than almost every country in the world including the USA.

I and I also said but not in so many words, the tattoo is placed somewhere that only the holder and the person having sex with them can see,  an intimate place hidden away  from everyoneís view ,except the holders  a  doctors  or a close sexual partner .

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I also did say untreatable infections, in other words infections that canít be cured and will always contagious.:)

And if in the future a cure is found, then as it will only be a small tattoo it can always be lazered off
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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #9 on: 26/08/2005 18:46:30 »
quote:
Originally posted by ukmicky


Neil
I also did say untreatable infections, in other words infections that canít be cured and will always contagious.:)

And if in the future a cure is found, then as it will only be a small tattoo it can always be lazered off




DOH !!...sorry !!...;)

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #10 on: 27/08/2005 12:05:21 »
Okay, here's a question for you.

Herpes simplex virus (HSV-1) causes cold sores and is carried by 90% of adults worldwide.

HSV-1 is also a close relative of HSV-2, which traditionally causes genital herpes (and watch out those of you in America because studies there have revealed that 1 woman in 4 in your country has antibodies to HSV-2, indicating past exposure to genital herpes !).

But HSV-1 can also be transmitted below the belt by, as one delighteful olf book I read once put it, "more recherche forms of sexual congress".

That's right, we're diagnosing huge numbers of people with genital herpes lesions now caused by the cold-sore version of herpes.

So should we therefore put a tattoo on 90% of adults, or just ban oral sex ?!

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #11 on: 27/08/2005 15:24:55 »
CHRIS
Thatís where you the experts would come in, Iím not a doctor, and I donít know which STD's can be cured and which can't. Or which ones would benefit from the scheme.
So doctors like you who would have to decide if a particular virus could be included or not.
My idea may be extreme but prevention is better than cure and taking aids as an example.
my idea could slash transmission rates in many countries if they adopted the scheme.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 27/08/2005 16:02:03 »
NO NO NO NO !!...we can NOT ban oral sex !!!..GULP !!!!

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #13 on: 28/08/2005 05:23:15 »
i think its really unfair and extreme to call someone hitler for this idea. it seems like anytime someone doesnt agree the other side is "hitler". i think its really disrespecful to the severity of WW2 and genocide to say that.

i know people will feel its against their rights, and it is. but as someone said, drastic measures have to be taken. i would most certainly carry this tatoo if proven positive, rather than allow a terrible incurable disease to spread.
 

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« Reply #14 on: 29/08/2005 00:37:14 »
My memory of HIV's history extends to the early 1980s when it was first noted in the USA. This arrival resulted in a very unproductive dialog which has continued to the present day. The original dialog took place between the U.S. gay community (with some exceptions) who desired sexual freedom at all costs at that time- and the Reagan administration, which flirted with saying that HIV was God's judgement on gay behaviors. Both positions are clearly absurd. HIV is an organism, not a judgement- and in time cautious sex behaviors became the main method of slowing the spread of HIV.

I think it is possible to argue, now that HIV is not always a "death sentence", that the effort to protect the privacy of HIV+ individuals now protects the HIV organism more than it protects humans. But I will admit that prejudice is strong in some communities, and I will not accuse those who value privacy of being fools. I just think that HIV laughs at us when we value other things over detroying it.

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« Reply #15 on: 29/08/2005 01:58:33 »
I'm just not comfortable with compulsory marking of a human being because they are ill or carrying a disease.

Tattoos can be camouflaged and disguised too....

...Can you imagine that perhaps a form of tattoo identification protocol between consentual lovers will be de rigueur !! ?

.....there simply must be a better way...there has to be.

I just can not imagine being ordered to report to a place and be forcibly tattoed. It would not be fair to compel someone who has no wish and no intention to pass on their disease to undergo a procedure.

Now if people volunteer to be marked then perhaps that could be a start...as a trial.....and then a referendum.

Certainly education of personal hygiene would be beneficial and perhaps more stringent medical practices be strongly advised, public awareness via media etc.



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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #16 on: 29/08/2005 03:35:19 »
How about the traditional means of dealing with STDs in a public health setting, which has been done for decades. When someone tests positive for HIV, you ask him who his partners were, then you ask them to come in and get tested.
Now expand this. Why not ask everyone to get tested? Those who test negative have the comfort of knowing they are in the clear. Those who test positive have received bad news- but they will no longer be able to pass on the disease in ignorance of the harm they do, and they will begin to recieve antiviral drugs before their health is compromised.

Let's forget about the tattoo. It's a distraction from the main issue.

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« Reply #17 on: 29/08/2005 04:37:24 »
StatisticS are a bit out of date so you may have to add a few million.

It is thought that more than one million people are living with HIV in the USA and that more than half a million have died after developing AIDS

An estimated 53,000 adults were living with HIV in the UK at the end of 2003, of whom 14,300 (27%) were unaware of their infection.
In 2004, there were at least 6,973 new diagnoses of HIV, contributing to a total of 72,938 since the epidemic began (as of the end of June 2005). The 2004 number will rise as further reports are received.

UNAIDS estimates that more than 2 million people were living with HIV in Europe at the end of December 2004.

An estimated 25 million adults and children were living with HIV in sub-Saharan Africa at the end of 2003, and an estimated twelve million children have been orphaned by AIDS.


So whatís the answer because education hasnít worked, and I doubt it ever will unless the situation got so bad that everyone was to scared to have sex

What would you do if in the future  1 out of 10 or even 1 in 5 people in this country had aids or HIV, it could happen?
What advice would you give to your children to prevent them from catching aids or HIV? Donít say Safe sex because there isnít any such thing. And even if there was crossing your fingers and hoping they listened to you may not be enough.
 
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The problem is people these days donít listen to the warnings. The only time people think about STDs etc is when they have to take that trip down to the clinic.  
You can educate someone as much as you like, but the moment that quick shag comes along all that education is forgotten about.
Something needs to be done; I donít want my son and daughter to live a life of fear every time they meet a new partner, or when the condom breaks.

Weíve all seen how quickly HIV/aids have got out of control in parts of Africa.

And with the generation of youths that are coming through now the same could quite easily happen here. (Apologies if youíre a good guy OR girl)

Sometimes hard decisions have to taken, decisions that not everyone will agree with.
But sometimes when the benefits are so great , when the majority of people  in the country can only benefit, them decisions should be taken .

How would you prevent whatís happening in Africa happening here, and youíve only got one chance because finding out that your idea hasnít worked ten years down the line is too late.
When weíre faced with what we could be facing decisive decisions have got to be taken now!

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #18 on: 29/08/2005 07:12:05 »
Ok.. here's a good idea.. instead of denying people their civil rights, branding them with the "scarlet letter" and condeming them to a life of shame and guilt. How about.. QUIT BEING A **** AND HAVING SEX WITH PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW!! and yes, men can be sluts too. Be monogomouse, make sure you know your partner. Take time to care and maybe go to a Dr. apt. with them. DUH.. interesting concept huh?
 

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« Reply #19 on: 30/08/2005 04:28:54 »
thats pretty ignorant missB, its very possible to carry HIV and some other diseases without knowing it, not seeing symptoms for years or  not seeing signs ever. so if you "know your partner" and are monogomous with them, its NOT enough. expecting every person to go to the doctors with their partner and get tested for diseases before having sex is unreasonable.

you talk of living with shame and guilt of the HIV tatoo, but you say "quit being a ****" as if every infected person were one. thats a value judgement, doesnt belong on a scientific discussion, and is a gross thing to say. even  for someone who has sex with people they dont know, that is their goddamn business and its not for you to say that they deserve to be infected. this disease is terrible and none of us, even under the most strict optimal precautions, is completely immune from it.

saying only a **** would get it is no different than the fundamentalists saying HIV is to wipe out sinful homosexuality.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 30/08/2005 15:39:21 »
actually.. what I'm saying is quit sleeping around. THAT is how you prevent HIV, and STD's. Don't have premerital sex. When you find the right partner for marriage, both get tested before having sex. That is NOT ignorant, that is the responsible thing to do. Gay or not, DON'T BE A ****! You won't have to worry about any disease if you don't have sex! Is that realistic? probably not, but don't blame the other person for giving you a disease. YOU chose to have sex with them.
 

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« Reply #21 on: 30/08/2005 19:32:54 »
And then cross your fingers and hope your partner remains faithful
 

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Re: The best way to prevent transmission of std's
« Reply #22 on: 31/08/2005 04:27:49 »
no ones blaming anyone here. the disease is the enemy, not the people who carry it. a human being should have  the right to have premarital(and by the way, not everyone values the institution of marriage) sex as well as consensual sex with a stranger without fear of catching a horrible disease. lets fight the disease, not someones personal morals and ethics.


not to mention not all people are sexually compatible, so if you wait to get married and you arent compatable with your partner its divorce time. also, yes you do have to worry about a disease if you dont have sex. if you get piercings, share unsterilized needles, are a surgeon who works on HIV postive patients, get tatoos(sort of ironic).

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« Reply #23 on: 31/08/2005 15:01:47 »
OK two points here: 1. I always practice safe sex and always have a sexual health check after EVERY partner. I found out I had chlamydia which I contracted through sexual contact and I caught it because the girl performed a sexual act on herself and then touched me.

Because I had the check I managed to get it cured within a week with simple antibiotics and I didn't have sex for a month. Meaning that I didn't pass it on to someone else.

If everyone was that cautious and HAS REGULAR SEXUAL HEALTH CHECKS then there STDs wouldn't spread at all.

Back in 1938, Adolf Hitler sanctioned the forced sterilisation of deaf people. I watched the footage and interviews with the victims and I cried when I heard their accounts of being forced to be sterilised.

Don't tell me it's not the same because it is! I do not call someone a Hitler just because I do not agree with their views and anyone who will know me will testify that I support various views that are not considered PC.

Proper education and appropriate sexual practices are the answer. Regular sexual health checks AFTER EVERY PARTNER regardless of whether safe sex has been practised or not.

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« Reply #24 on: 31/08/2005 20:55:36 »
Kudos for you drkev but no one can count on someone else to have the medical clearance or the social responability to not have sex when they are infected. Period. I'm not sure about guys, but I'm not into having Papsmears after each partner. So, NO SEX is the solution. Put it back INTO YOUR PANTS and don't use it until you KNOW that your partner is not infected, which means going to the appointment with him/her and seeing the results. Don't want to bother.. then DON"T have sex. It's not a life or death matter NOT having sex but it is HAVING sex.
 

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