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« on: 02/09/2009 09:09:28 »
Hi friends,

I've been browsing in youtube when I found this;




What do you think?


 

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« Reply #1 on: 02/09/2009 10:34:50 »
If you read the comments for this youtube clip, it makes the picture a little more detailed.

I know that big Pharma companies are not innocent and all for our health, but their responsibility here is not so clear as stated in the clip.

On the other hand I heard a similar (not so brutal) story about GSK too, deliberately faking the results of a clinical test of one of their depression drug to hide that it hugely increases the risk of suicide...

I don't know about this particular case, but they sometimes play dirty indeed.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 02/09/2009 12:56:08 »
no, not really.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 03/09/2009 14:54:46 »
One of the biggest problems today is that the components of various drugs are manufactured in under-regulated factories and workshops in China.

Do you remember the heparin scandal of last year, when Chinese factories were found to have intentionally contaminated heparin with Oversulfated Chondroitin Sulfate, causing the illness and deaths of many people? It happened at the same time when a woman here in Virginia contracted Cruetzfeldt-Jacob disease shortly after surgery. Since CJD is caused by the same prion that causes BSE, the component causing the deaths had been manufactured in China, and we had just been through the "melamine in the pet food", "lead paint on the toys" fiasco, I wondered if it was coincidental or if something given at surgery was contaminated with prions.  I did some research online to see what I could learn and found this article: http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120511367737423565.html [nofollow] which appeared in the Wall Street Journal on Mar 10, 2008.

It states:
Wang Xiangyang, a factory director at the Zhaoyang Intestine & Casing Factory in Shandong, for instance, says his company has been forced to use sheep innards in addition to pig intestines because of a shortage of pig supplies. "We can't get enough pig intestines," Mr. Wang says. "There are a lot of people around who need them."

The U.S. and Europe stopped using heparin extracted from sheep and cow organs more than a decade ago after scientists became concerned about bovine spongiform encephalitis, or mad-cow disease, and a similar disorder in sheep known as scrapie. The fear was that prions, the tiny particles that cause these devastating illnesses, could be transmitted to humans through ingredients derived from cows or sheep


I actually reported this to the FDA and to the local health department, as well as to our local TV & Newspaper, thinking they might want to follow up, but got nowhere with it. The local press opted no to research it, because they felt publishing it would be "too imflammatory" and cause a scare. 

Personally, I found this more scary than the chondroitin deal. Since BSE or CJ disease often takes years to develop, who knows how many people may have got it. If that happened, and those people have given blood or died and donated organs, who knows how many people to whom they have passed it. Who knows what other sheep and cow products are being used in these Chinese factories?

 

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« Reply #4 on: 03/09/2009 15:38:55 »
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The local press opted no to research it, because they felt publishing it would be "too imflammatory" and cause a scare. 

wow, a press concerned about causing fear unnecessarily? when can i meet this new creature?
 

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« Reply #5 on: 03/09/2009 17:40:02 »
NO! Don't trust them!!

Pharma-cos simply are after the money. I am suffering from the effects of long term anti-cholesterol drug use - Lipitor and generic Zocor. The problems are serious muscle pain and weakness, neurological problems - never malfunction and  balance issues, as well as  intestinal degradation. I finally go some action when I began complaining LOUDLY about a slight loss of mental acuity above and beyond what might be expected of a person in their 60's.

These problems have been know for a long time. They have been brushed under the rug as the Pfizer company has made huge marketing efforts among doctors to keep people on Lipitor. Lipitor is the LARGEST SELLING DRUG IN THE US!! It is advantageous that sales be kept up as people suffer from their medications every day.


 

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« Reply #6 on: 03/09/2009 19:52:59 »
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Pharma-cos simply are after the money.

i wouldn't say it's that simple. they're after the money and they're after making people better, even if they're not actually doing that. if they feel they are doing both at the same time, then they feel great. wouldn't you?

i think change needs to come to big pharma. it will, once enough people get educated enough to get outraged about it.
 

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« Reply #7 on: 03/09/2009 22:58:54 »
Not at all. The companies are constantly bringing drugs to market without (or ignoring) proper research. And physicians are lead by the nose by pharmaceutical sales people.  I was given meds without knowing about them and am now unable to produce my own adrenalin. As a person who must depend on medications to stay alive, I vet all I take very carefully. There are many I wouldn't take knowing what I now know, including the prednisone. 
 

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« Reply #8 on: 03/09/2009 23:39:48 »
Not at all. The companies are constantly bringing drugs to market without (or ignoring) proper research. And physicians are lead by the nose by pharmaceutical sales people.  I was given meds without knowing about them and am now unable to produce my own adrenalin. As a person who must depend on medications to stay alive, I vet all I take very carefully. There are many I wouldn't take knowing what I now know, including the prednisone. 
I got thrombocytepenia from taking pravachol, my platelet count went down to 2000. I had to take prednisone for months and almost had to have my spleen removed.  My doc had called me on the phone and told me my cholesterol level came back high and he left some samples at the front desk.  I had no idea what ITP was, but found out quick enough when I started bruising and got a petechial rash on my legs and when scratching a mosquito bite left what looked like skid marks. 

I learned something - before I take any new meds I read about the potential side effects.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 04/09/2009 13:16:17 »
We are being lead to believe that there are much more disorders that people have, and they should take more drugs.

Pharma today are trying to get us to take drug as soon as possible. Ritalin is just one of the major example how this was done in our schools. Who knows what will happen to these kids in longer term.

Go Google "Generation RX", and you'll find out more things you've been missing.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 04/09/2009 19:54:06 »
so, to conclude, we cannot trust big pharma. however, i see this as a good sign, and i hope of more good things to come:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/feb/13/glaxo-smith-kline-cheap-medicine

it just depends on whether or not leading an ethical example is worth more than money in the long term to the fellas that decide this sort of stuff.

one of the main problems with the current system is that government reward companies like these. they are not given incentives to behave they way they are, in fact if they do behave ethically, it comes at the monetary cost of the company.

there is a dilemma that i see when considering companies like this. few people would refuse to take life saving (or even if they're not) drugs in order to refuse support for these companies. so boycotting a company in the usual way would not work - tarring a companies image by showing that they are unethical is not really going to work. so government incentives need to encourage them to behave ethically, but then, where does that money come from? the taxpayers. and some taxpayers would not be happy about paying (more?) tax in order to subsidise costs of the actions of companies like big pharma by doing this.

i really can't wait for patent reform and the socialisation of health care in america. it will lower barriers to behave more ethically. GSK, in this example, have taken a bold first step towards trying to help people and i for one am happier for it.

as for the medicalisation of things - shyness, sexual dysfunction. you have to understand that big pharma believe not only are they acting in the interest of themselves, but in the interest of the people of the world as well. you and me. that helps guard me against developing hatred towards them, the actual people in charge of big pharma, because intentional evil is actually very rare. and i want to be mindful of that for three reasons: hatred causes division instead of unification, it is bad for me, and it is bad for the world.

further edit: http://www.gsk.com/media/pressreleases/2009/2009_pressrelease_10073.htm

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