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I have noticed this with soda (pop) or fizzy drinks.. and they seem to be fizzier too!

Why is this do the plastic or cans change the reaction of carbonation?

Soda or coke just tastes way better all the way around in a glass bottle!

They tried Beer in Plastic bottles but it was a big flop and people preferred the taste from the bottle better!

So is there any scientific truth to the fact the bottle sodas taste better?


 

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« Reply #1 on: 20/09/2009 04:30:29 »
I can tell you about the beer since I'm a home brewer.  First, plastic bottles are oxygen permeable, whereas glass isn't.  Oxygen in beer is a bad thing--just think about how awful nearly empty beer cans smell after you leave them out overnight.  Second, clear plastic allows much more UV light through than say, brown glass beer bottles.  UV is pretty bad for beer, since it can make some of the chemicals from the hops go skunky. 
 

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« Reply #2 on: 20/09/2009 13:58:36 »
Thanks,,, so the plastic takes in more oxygen and thats not good and then theres the uv thing happening makes the chemicals all go skunky? What do you mean..? (smelling bad?)
So, is it that the light breaks down the chemicals...?

I can see the oxygen thing adding to the loss of fizz as soda does go flat when exposed to the oxygen.... but why exactly does it do that?
 

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« Reply #3 on: 20/09/2009 14:50:14 »
Yeah, skunky in beer means it smells like a skunk.  I forget the details of the reaction, but some of the chemicals from the hops react under UV light to make the same type of odor chemicals that are found in skunk-stink.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 20/09/2009 19:03:23 »
I would add that plastic bottles release very small amounts of compounds inside the liquid, which however can affect the liquid's taste.

About the fizzier, I think it could depend on the fact glass bottles can sustain more CO2 pressure, so you can put more into it.
« Last Edit: 20/09/2009 19:05:24 by lightarrow »
 

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« Reply #5 on: 21/09/2009 06:06:48 »
I would add that plastic bottles release very small amounts of compounds inside the liquid, which however can affect the liquid's taste.

About the fizzier, I think it could depend on the fact glass bottles can sustain more CO2 pressure, so you can put more into it.

Thanks Alberto..

When the plastic bottles release their compounds into the soda, I understand that we are then ingesting those compounds...right?

Can that be toxic over time..?

Exactly what compounds are we talking about?
 

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« Reply #6 on: 22/09/2009 19:47:31 »
I would add that plastic bottles release very small amounts of compounds inside the liquid, which however can affect the liquid's taste.

About the fizzier, I think it could depend on the fact glass bottles can sustain more CO2 pressure, so you can put more into it.

Thanks Alberto..

When the plastic bottles release their compounds into the soda, I understand that we are then ingesting those compounds...right?

Exactly what compounds are we talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_terephthalate

<<Degradation

PET is subject to various types of degradations during processing. The main degradations that can occur are hydrolytic, thermal and probably most important thermal oxidation. When PET degrades, several things happen: discoloration, chain scissions resulting in reduced molecular weight, formation of acetaldehyde and cross-links ("gel" or "fish-eye" formation). Discoloration is due to the formation of various chromophoric systems following prolonged thermal treatment at elevated temperatures. This becomes a problem when the optical requirements of the polymer are very high, such as in packaging applications. Acetaldehyde is normally a colorless, volatile substance with a fruity smell. It forms naturally in fruit, but it can cause an off-taste in bottled water. Acetaldehyde forms in PET through the "abuse" of the material. High temperatures (PET decomposes above 300 C or 570 F), high pressures, extruder speeds (excessive shear flow raises temperature) and long barrel residence times all contribute to the production of acetaldehyde. When acetaldehyde is produced, some of it remains dissolved in the walls of a container and then diffuses into the product stored inside, altering the taste and aroma. This is not such a problem for non-consumables (such as shampoo), for fruit juices (which already contain acetaldehyde), or for strong-tasting drinks like soft drinks. For bottled water, however, low acetaldehyde content is quite important, because if nothing masks the aroma, even extremely low concentrations (10-20 parts per billion in the water) of acetaldehyde can produce an off-taste.>>

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Can that be toxic over time..?
According to present laws, PET is not toxic.
 

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« Reply #7 on: 23/09/2009 07:53:55 »
That is great information Alberto.. Thank you so much... so  high temperatures actually speed degradation up it seems..

According to present laws eh? What about your personal opinion.. do you believe they are toxic?
Do you think the laws will eventually change regarding the toxicity of PET?
 

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« Reply #8 on: 23/09/2009 08:05:23 »
Yeah, skunky in beer means it smells like a skunk.  I forget the details of the reaction, but some of the chemicals from the hops react under UV light to make the same type of odor chemicals that are found in skunk-stink.

We have a few beers here in the UK that smell and taste like that!!! And there're the good ones! Some of the others taste like gnats piss, while others ARE gnats piss!
 

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« Reply #9 on: 23/09/2009 08:15:32 »
LOL.. I never could like beer! LOL.. My Daughter had me try a raspberry beer that was palatable... actually it was good but It still had that beer aftertaste so I never got to interested.. I am not a drinker but have drank a few glasses of wine in my day but really steer clear of alcohol for the most part. I like punch and tea and coffee.. LOL...
 

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« Reply #10 on: 23/09/2009 08:34:26 »
If I want a good beer, there's only one for me, and it's 250 yrs old tomorrow.



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« Reply #11 on: 23/09/2009 08:40:22 »
LOL..LOL... "Guinness" seems to be popular here too !!

His hip hip hip must be hurting like mine!
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« Reply #12 on: 23/09/2009 08:45:08 »
lol I never took beer or wine ...
I don't know how it tastes and I don't want to drink..
I love flavored mike
 

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« Reply #13 on: 23/09/2009 09:07:28 »
Good for you!

Whats flavored Mike?
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« Reply #14 on: 23/09/2009 09:13:16 »
I love flavored mike

Like these?
American Idol Pop Mic
Microphone filled with bubble gum and sucker on the top. Pusha button to make it light up and play music.


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« Reply #15 on: 24/09/2009 11:55:45 »
Good for you!

Whats flavored Mike?
I am pure vegetarian too .I don't even take Egg.
Flavored milk is a sweetened dairy drink made with milk, sugar, colorings and artificial or natural flavorings. Flavored milk is often pasteurized using ultra-high-temperature (UHT) treatment, which gives it a longer shelf-life than plain milk. Pre-mixed flavored milk is sold in the refrigerated dairy case alongside other milk products. Flavored sweetened powders or syrups which are added to plain milk, such as Nesquik, are also available.

Well you can make it

Ingredients

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      1 liter milk
    *
      2 cups water
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      1 cup short grain rice OR 1/2 cup rice and 1/2 sago
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      2 cardamom seeds (crushed)
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      pinch of ground nutmeg
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      1 tblspn. sultanas
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      3/4 cup sugar
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      1 tblspn. ghee (clarified butter)
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      6 almonds (blanched, toasted and chopped)
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      3 cloves

       

Method

   1.Cook rice in water, until most of the water is absorbed and rice is mushy. Add milk, cook further, stirring frequently.
   2.Add almonds, sultanas and sugar. The kheer should be of custard consistency. If too thick, add more milk.
   3.Remove from heat, add crushed cardamon and ground nutmeg. Mix well.
   4.Heat ghee in a small pan. Add cloves. When the cloves start to bulge or pop, remove from heat.
   5.Add both, the ghee and the cloves to the kheer and mix well.
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« Reply #16 on: 24/09/2009 11:59:30 »
I love flavored mike

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No, that's not the one I am talking about. I think you need to take one Flavored milk
 

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« Reply #17 on: 24/09/2009 12:27:45 »
Good for you!

Whats flavored Mike?
I am pure vegetarian too .I don't even take Egg.
Flavored milk is a sweetened dairy drink made with milk, sugar, colorings and artificial or natural flavorings. Flavored milk is often pasteurized using ultra-high-temperature (UHT) treatment, which gives it a longer shelf-life than plain milk. Pre-mixed flavored milk is sold in the refrigerated dairy case alongside other milk products. Flavored sweetened powders or syrups which are added to plain milk, such as Nesquik, are also available.

Well you can make it

Ingredients

    *
      1 liter milk
    *
      2 cups water
    *
      1 cup short grain rice OR 1/2 cup rice and 1/2 sago
    *
      2 cardamom seeds (crushed)
    *
      pinch of ground nutmeg
    *
      1 tblspn. sultanas
    *
      3/4 cup sugar
    *
      1 tblspn. ghee (clarified butter)
    *
      6 almonds (blanched, toasted and chopped)
    *
      3 cloves

      

Method

   1.Cook rice in water, until most of the water is absorbed and rice is mushy. Add milk, cook further, stirring frequently.
   2.Add almonds, sultanas and sugar. The kheer should be of custard consistency. If too thick, add more milk.
   3.Remove from heat, add crushed cardamon and ground nutmeg. Mix well.
   4.Heat ghee in a small pan. Add cloves. When the cloves start to bulge or pop, remove from heat.
   5.Add both, the ghee and the cloves to the kheer and mix well.

I will make it and see how I like it! Thanks for the recipe..

So you meant Flavored milk? Not mike?
 

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« Reply #18 on: 24/09/2009 12:37:34 »
What is the pretty red garnish on top  of the finished product?
 

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« Reply #19 on: 24/09/2009 12:49:10 »
What is the pretty red garnish on top  of the finished product?

Not saffron is it?
 

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« Reply #20 on: 24/09/2009 12:51:53 »
Why go to all that trouble SBC, when you have a great natural drink in India, which needs no fuss, King Coconut water!
 

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What is the pretty red garnish on top  of the finished product?

Not saffron is it?
do not know I have never seen saffron before?
 

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« Reply #22 on: 24/09/2009 13:29:28 »
Why go to all that trouble SBC, when you have a great natural drink in India, which needs no fuss, King Coconut water!
Is that a joke Don...?
 

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« Reply #23 on: 24/09/2009 15:33:24 »
That is great information Alberto.. Thank you so much... so  high temperatures actually speed degradation up it seems..

According to present laws eh? What about your personal opinion.. do you believe they are toxic?
Do you think the laws will eventually change regarding the toxicity of PET?
I think that, in "standard" conditions, we shouldn't worry about it. The problem is that we don't know all the possible conditions or the possible chemical reactions that PET ca make in all situations; furthermore, are we totally sure that all the PET material is pure? Of course firms who make it have an high grade of technology and quality processes, but sometimes something (1 in a million? Less? More? Don't know) can "escape" the control. If you find a piece of metal, you see it, but if there is a too high level of a certain chemical, you don't see it...
 

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« Reply #24 on: 24/09/2009 15:43:18 »
No Karen, King Coconut water is very refreshing and said to have medicinal properties. Only trouble is, I don't think it can be stored. Trials on waxing the whole nut proved it could only last a short time after the fruit is cut from the tree. After about 28 days it isn't very pleasant. http://blogs.siliconindia.com/MohammedIftequarAhmed/Tender_coconut_water_%E2%80%90_its_Health_benefits-bid-kxqY3l7K51392983.html


King Coconut (COCOS NUCIFERA VAR. AURANTA)
 

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