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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2075 on: 07/06/2016 09:39:46 »
It reminds me of that Russian mathematician, Grigori Perelman. Talked with some people not being able to see what could make a man refuse money :) I had and still have no problem with it, or him, but to those it seemed almost a insult. And so it seems a lot of people think.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2076 on: 07/06/2016 09:43:43 »
Once you realized that there are more important things to life than profit you're on your way. But it takes a lot of courage to say your mind, and people won't like it. It disturbs their image of what a world is, and means. People love to seek shelter inside hierarchies, it's a safe environment as long as you conform.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2077 on: 07/06/2016 09:49:00 »
The most difficult hierarchies to see is your own, the way they color your sight, your preconceptions.
 

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« Reply #2078 on: 07/06/2016 09:51:38 »
They builds up from your environment, and often you find no need of questioning them. they 'are what you are'. Sometimes you may become forced to reevaluate them, that doesn't mean they disappear though.
 

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« Reply #2079 on: 07/06/2016 09:59:10 »
We learn to limit ourselves, and we do it to fit in.
 

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« Reply #2080 on: 07/06/2016 09:59:40 »
Be a warrior instead.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2081 on: 07/06/2016 10:17:59 »
Just for fun, consider a 'perfect rocket', able to reach some velocity (speed, if you like that better) so close to lights that it becomes impossible to define. Would a infinite universe still be infinite?
 

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« Reply #2082 on: 07/06/2016 10:20:47 »
Turn it around, what would make a infinite universe, finite?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2083 on: 07/06/2016 18:21:11 »
A last question :)

Does your local arrow disappear under any of those scenarios?

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Simply expressed, do you still age?
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« Reply #2084 on: 07/06/2016 18:26:18 »
Where does it disappear?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2085 on: 09/06/2016 10:01:38 »
Take hold of a beam of light, will it age? We get light right from the 'birth' of this universe, light so distant in time that its origin comes from the 'Big Bang'. That was a very long time ago, but it's still here, it may redshift but not due to aging, at least the way main stream science consider it, and by me too btw.
 

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« Reply #2086 on: 09/06/2016 10:13:32 »
In the end everything equals out, like you mixing hot with cold to get to temperated. It's called 'entropy' and it's time that stands for the mixing, that is, unless you consider entropy to be time as well. And another idea is that nothing contained by this universe disappear, so the ' energy difference's ' that exist allowing us to tap them for our cars etc won't be there at that time, but the 'energy' itself should come to a same 'amount' as now, 'counted' over a universe.
 

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« Reply #2087 on: 09/06/2016 10:14:28 »
That's a pretty hard thing to digest.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2088 on: 09/06/2016 10:22:47 »
If a universe is without limits then? There being no end to it, how does it do it? And then we have the expansion of our universe, that seems to accelerate. How can something infinite grow? Then again, the volume of space will always be greater than the volume of planets, won't it. And if one accept that both examples already are of a infinite magnitude, then?

When you think of a Big Bangs 'origin', and look around you to see it, using 'old light', you always will find yourself in the center. The 'origin' is wherever you are in a way, as the oldest lights origin, if someone stood there, would define you the same way. There is no 'real center' to it.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2089 on: 09/06/2016 10:24:51 »
So, if we now use a 'spheres surface' and define ourselves in it, shouldn't it too grow?
 

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« Reply #2090 on: 09/06/2016 10:28:08 »
How that one work is by using time, clocks of different types. We define this universe by time, not by 'size'.
 

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« Reply #2091 on: 09/06/2016 10:33:08 »
Can you see the mystery that brings with it? If there is no defined 'origin', except from using clocks (time) to give you a start, then this 'origin' happened 'everywhere'. The universe becomes 'infinite' as it starts to exist.
 

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« Reply #2092 on: 09/06/2016 10:34:03 »
How is that possible?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2093 on: 09/06/2016 10:42:48 »
I would really like to see someone try to simulate that :)
Don't think this universe has the capacity, to do it.

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I won't take an oath on it, but I'm pretty sure that we won't be able to simulate it using computers though.
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« Reply #2094 on: 09/06/2016 10:44:25 »
Something had, but not the origin we see, that's something else coming from it.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2095 on: 09/06/2016 10:45:34 »
indeterminacy?

What do you think? Would that allow for it?
 

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« Reply #2096 on: 09/06/2016 10:52:53 »
What is a vacuum? Only a geometry? 'Energy'?
 

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« Reply #2097 on: 09/06/2016 10:54:01 »
A different set of 'rules'?
 

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« Reply #2098 on: 09/06/2016 10:55:52 »
Does a vacuum contain time?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2099 on: 09/06/2016 10:56:19 »
How do you measure time?
 

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