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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2175 on: 15/06/2016 14:26:46 »
Look at it, is it democracy?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2176 on: 15/06/2016 17:03:22 »
Depends on your definition of it.

I won't call it democracy though, it has a resemblance to 'the will of the people', that's all.
Ever wondered what a politician fears most, in Sweden, as politicians everywhere?

Referendums.

Very dangerous that kind of stuff, and the 'information' you get someone will pay for, either from your taxes or from other profits made. That's another thing you can knit to the newfangled 'regulations' of the Internet. Free information, but, not too 'free'.

Democracy again?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2177 on: 15/06/2016 17:08:47 »
It all knits together, if you want to take responsibility. Responsibility for yourself, and ethics, your ethics. Or you can stay 'inside' and 'conform'. Conforming has left us here, that and egoism.  To it you can add hubris and narcissism. The economic and political, model you live with associate buying with happiness.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2178 on: 15/06/2016 17:11:21 »
Then the richest dead wins, right?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2179 on: 15/06/2016 17:12:54 »
:)

Weirder than most of my ideas that one.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2180 on: 15/06/2016 17:15:15 »
Let's see, the model prefer you consuming, and the more you consume the greater the profits, which means more jobs, which crave you to consume more, which leads to more profits, which ...... .....

Should I be impressed?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2181 on: 15/06/2016 17:19:08 »
And that knits to Earth as a planet of 'infinite riches', which was what we thought for the longest time.
It's not of 'infinite riches' anymore though.

But the economic, and so political, model hasn't changed.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2182 on: 15/06/2016 17:22:16 »
It's a political and economic hierarchy.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2183 on: 15/06/2016 17:23:20 »
You can call it 'democracy' depending on definitions, but not if you go by mine.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2185 on: 15/06/2016 17:41:54 »
It's educated guesswork naturally, based on 'projections' drawn from statistics. But we will decline, one reason or another, be it wars, famines, global warming, over crowding, you name it. There must be a apex to any population growth, and reasons why it will decline.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-rats-turned-their-private-paradise-into-a-terrifyin-1687584457
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2186 on: 15/06/2016 17:53:57 »
We can forestall it though.
One kid per person.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2187 on: 15/06/2016 17:55:30 »
Those kids won't be less loved than the ones we set to the world today.
I would say it should have the opposite effect.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2188 on: 15/06/2016 18:06:37 »
If you want a sustainable future, keeping our current economic ideals, the world wide population needs to shrink drastically. Probably under one billion, like in the beginning of the nineteenth century, or so. Or rather, what I really think is that those ideas will bankrupt us anyhow :) although a lot slower.

Contrast it to "Human population entered the 20th century with 1.6 billion people and left the century with 6.1 billion."
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2189 on: 16/06/2016 18:20:55 »
So, are we getting dumber?
http://www.livescience.com/37095-humans-smarter-or-dumber.html

Don't think so. We're getting more egoistic though. The ideals of 'the free market' and the one about your country each year needing to yield more profits isn't natural. It's an ideal we have, similar to our dream of winning a lottery,  a dream and a hope that we want to exist. What it leads to though is overexploitation, and injustices, all in the name of 'the holy growth'. combine that with a overcrowded planet where people will be forced to flee their homelands due to climate changes, with the effect of small arm wars rising. There are no illegals on this Earth. Everyone come from the same place and leave the same way. They didn't destroy their homes, global warming did, and that comes from the developed countries mostly, although all country's still strive for it. Even when understanding global warming.

The reasons they do it is the same as for us. They want to consume, and so become finally 'happy'. So are we happy here then?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2190 on: 16/06/2016 18:24:39 »
You could also see it as a result of our current ideals only encouraging short time solutions. Because buying yourself happy will be as a drug, the kick is fast gone, then you need it again. This society is creating drug addicts.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2191 on: 16/06/2016 18:25:44 »
'Happy consumers'
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2192 on: 16/06/2016 18:27:48 »
Why not read up on those rats again, they had their rodent paradise, didn't they?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2193 on: 16/06/2016 18:32:14 »
People think they can buy themselves free.
You can't, you can't vote yourself free from responsibility either.
But you can take it, as well as ethics, to start stand up for your views.

It will make you 'uncomfortable' possibly :)
That's a risk you take.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2194 on: 16/06/2016 18:43:36 »
We have it worse than those rats. Because we won't be able to turn a blind eye as injustices grows, instead we will start lying to ourselves. So the ideals not only will make you a drug addict, but also turn you into the worst kind of liar, the kind that lies to himself. If you can convince yourself that your lies is truth, then you can preach it to others, and believe it too :)

Narcissism, egoism and hubris.

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2195 on: 16/06/2016 18:49:43 »
And I'm sure some will think that this fits my writing too ::))
We're a funny species, even lovable at times.

You got to see the humor hiding behind our actions, rather dark I admit, but it's there.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2196 on: 16/06/2016 18:55:04 »
We think ourselves the apex of creation. No mere 'animals' but  h u m a n s, nota bene. Equipped with a 'divine right' to overcrowd and drive the rest of the fauna and flora into extinction. And we all think the 'others' as 'losers' in this 'game', as we manipulate each other for 'profit'.

It is funny. Rather stupid, but funny in a dark mode.
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2197 on: 16/06/2016 18:57:06 »
Why not become a warrior instead?
 

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2198 on: 16/06/2016 19:06:27 »
It's not 'democracy' that drives it, it's ideals and dreams, the promise of you always being 'happy'.
And the way to is according to the gospel, through consuming, and consuming, and consuming some more.  So we get 'game theory' :)

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2199 on: 17/06/2016 17:58:15 »
you know, most of the things we do, we do from faith. Faith in a idea, a ideal, a friend, a country. Sometimes it f* you up badly when you see the other side of the mirror. But faith isn't wrong, neither is trust. sometimes you have to walk through it all, to the other side. If you have that courage you will find both faith and trust, again. It was always there, even though abused.
 

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