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Kiran The King Kai

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Hi Naked scientist !

What is the minimum mass required to distort space and time ?

According to Einstein's General theory of relativity .
Mass distorts Space and Time.
Well Quantum Physics does not satisfy with General theory of relativity.

So, it asks a Question does G exist in quantum size world ?
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My question is that .....

"What is the minimum mass required to distort space and time ?"



I mean Does asteroid can distort space and Time ?

Does big comet can distort space and time ? 

Does astronaut can distort Space and time ?

I mean What is the minimum MASS limit to distort Space and time ?

I call it "Einstein space time distortion limit !"

« Last Edit: 20/10/2009 13:38:07 by Kiran The King Kai »


 

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« Reply #1 on: 20/10/2009 13:49:35 »
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What is the minimum mass required to distort space and time ?
Any amount of mass will destort spacetime to some extent. A single subatomic particle can do that. It just destorts it by an extremely small amount.
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According to Einstein's General theory of relativity .
Mass distorts Space and Time.
Well Quantum Physics does not satisfy with General theory of relativity.
Not as currently known. It is assumed that a quantum theory of gravity will exist someday.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 20/10/2009 14:00:28 »
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What is the minimum mass required to distort space and time ?
Any amount of mass will destort spacetime to some extent. A single subatomic particle can do that. It just destorts it by an extremely small amount.
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According to Einstein's General theory of relativity .
Mass distorts Space and Time.
Well Quantum Physics does not satisfy with General theory of relativity.
Not as currently known. It is assumed that a quantum theory of gravity will exist someday.
If single sub atomic particle can distort ...
Why they still argue about Quantum gravity in string theory ? 
 

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« Reply #3 on: 20/10/2009 14:06:45 »
(Any amount of mass will destort spacetime to some extent. A single subatomic particle can do that. It just destorts it by an extremely small amount.)

Well as you ... Small amount of mass as Sub atomic particles ..
it sounds good but is there any proof!.....
?? is there any ?
 

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« Reply #4 on: 20/10/2009 14:15:18 »
(Any amount of mass will destort spacetime to some extent. A single subatomic particle can do that. It just destorts it by an extremely small amount.)

Well as you ... Small amount of mass as Sub atomic particles ..
it sounds good but is there any proof!.....
?? is there any ?

If you're asking if there is any experimental evidence that an elecctron has a gravitational field then I can't think of any. But it's universally accepted by physicists that it does.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 20/10/2009 14:17:31 »
I believe the GPS satellite atomic clocks have to be adjusted every day to take into account the drift caused by the distortion in space time.

 

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« Reply #6 on: 20/10/2009 14:58:52 »
I believe the GPS satellite atomic clocks have to be adjusted every day to take into account the drift caused by the distortion in space time.


Well are you talking about relative velocities of Special Theory of relativity ?
GPS is effected by Velocities they move ....
 

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« Reply #7 on: 21/10/2009 00:54:23 »
Hi Naked scientist !

What is the minimum mass required to distort space and time ?

According to Einstein's General theory of relativity .
Mass distorts Space and Time.
Well Quantum Physics does not satisfy with General theory of relativity.

So, it asks a Question does G exist in quantum size world ?
well ,

My question is that .....

"What is the minimum mass required to distort space and time ?"



I mean Does asteroid can distort space and Time ?

Does big comet can distort space and time ? 

Does astronaut can distort Space and time ?

I mean What is the minimum MASS limit to distort Space and time ?

I call it "Einstein space time distortion limit !"



A single quanta is a flutuation and distortion in itself, so a photon suffices to warp spacetime.
 

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« Reply #8 on: 21/10/2009 09:11:51 »
Mr.scientist thanks for your reply ...
Your statements might have solved the ........

"Unification problem in String theory"
 

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« Reply #9 on: 21/10/2009 09:17:10 »
Oh string theory is not my cup of tea. The math is really quite difficult.
But, worth the dream of it :)
 

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« Reply #10 on: 21/10/2009 09:31:11 »
Oh string theory is not my cup of tea. The math is really quite difficult.
But, worth the dream of it :)
Why still Physicist struggle to unify string theory ? When it comes to GR !
 

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« Reply #11 on: 21/10/2009 09:33:19 »
They struggle to unify it in any understandable, testable way. Whilst you can get some very good unified string field theories, some of them are simply not adequate to explain reality. Some consequence of this might be that a theory causes more problems than what it solves.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 23/10/2009 04:48:14 »
Yes Mr scientist is correct in stating that photons warps space.
How they do it is an open discussion though :)
Some see it as mass, other as momentum.
I lean towards momentum.

Take two parallel light beams traveling f ex.

"The curvature of spacetime is related to the stress energy (the Ricci tensor). Light would contribute to this. But the contribution is mind bogglingly small, so two parallel rays would not be drawn together in the scale of this universe."

It will make light bend as the stress energy momentum curves SpaceTime and as I see it, velocity gains momentum. And with that momentum you will get a stress energy tensor which in its turn means a curvature. So photons will curve SpaceTime too.
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« Reply #13 on: 23/10/2009 05:27:00 »
Yes Mr scientist is correct in stating that photons warps space.
How they do it is an open discussion though :)
Some see it as mass, other as momentum.
I lean towards momentum.

Take two parallel light beams traveling f ex.

"The curvature of spacetime is related to the stress energy (the Ricci tensor). Light would contribute to this. But the contribution is mind bogglingly small, so two parallel rays would not be drawn together in the scale of this universe."

It will make light bend as the stress energy momentum curves SpaceTime and as I see it, velocity gains momentum. And with that momentum you will get a stress energy tensor which in its turn means a curvature. So photons will curve SpaceTime too.
so you mean Light it self curves spacetime ?
well , I speculate that ENERGY too can distort spacetime ! Just my hypothesis !
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« Reply #14 on: 23/10/2009 06:00:44 »
Yep, now for your theory to become perfect :)
Define energy.
 

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« Reply #15 on: 23/10/2009 13:05:26 »
We refer to space-time distortion as if it were reality. It is theory. Relativity phenomena would be a natural consequence if if space-time were flat and all of matter was made of stuff that must always move at the invariable speed of light.

The OP question has already been answered factually I suspect. I'll just add my view that a single photon, or quantum by its other name, is sufficient to produce gravity.

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« Reply #16 on: 23/10/2009 13:30:24 »
The reason why and more specifically ''how'' the photon produces gravitational effects is because of acceleration. In general relativity, Einstein was able to make matter the same thing as the presence of curvature, gravitational distortions and acceleration. You could not have matter without having all the above. 
 

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« Reply #17 on: 23/10/2009 13:41:29 »
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You could not have matter without having all the above.
Why not?
 

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« Reply #18 on: 23/10/2009 13:45:01 »
Because of the mathematical equivalances that arise in the field equations. For instance, it would be unheard of in relativity to find parts of spacetime to be gravitationally-stressed without the presence of matter, just as much as if the presence of gravitationally-stressed bodies exist, then there is some acceleration present.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 23/10/2009 13:59:54 »
Yep, now for your theory to become perfect :)
Define energy.
Don't be misled to believe that just because nobody knows how to define energy that anything defined in terms of it is ill-defined. All quantities in physics must be defined in terms of something else. Eventually you get to the point where you arrive at a basic core quantity which cannot be defined in terms of something else. Otherwise you'd have a circular definition. But we have enough knowledge abou i energhy to use it and define other thingd in terms of it. And we certaintly know enough about it to define certain types of energy. It's similar to the definition of life. I may not be able to give you a definition of life but that doesn't mean to say that I can't point to an object an say "That is alive."

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« Reply #20 on: 23/10/2009 14:01:53 »
Because of the mathematical equivalances that arise in the field equations. For instance, it would be unheard of in relativity to find parts of spacetime to be gravitationally-stressed without the presence of matter, just as much as if the presence of gravitationally-stressed bodies exist, then there is some acceleration present.
Unless the cosmological constant was non-zero
 

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« Reply #21 on: 23/10/2009 18:41:06 »
Because of the mathematical equivalances that arise in the field equations. For instance, it would be unheard of in relativity to find parts of spacetime to be gravitationally-stressed without the presence of matter, just as much as if the presence of gravitationally-stressed bodies exist, then there is some acceleration present.
Did you ever wonder how a photon produces gravity? Did you find a suitable answer? I did wonder; and I did find an answer that suits me. :)

Just do a Google search with the string: Vernon Brown cause of gravity

You will be rewarded with several articles about how photons cause each other to change direction toward higher concentrations of photons . :)
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« Reply #22 on: 25/10/2009 14:57:14 »
There is a fact that seems to evade most people regarding energy as a source of gravity. Emnergy is a source of gravity because mass is defined to be the source and mass is proportional to energy. As Einstein wrote in his 1916 GR paper
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The special theory of relativity has led to the conclusion that inert mass is nothing more or less than energy, which finds its complete mathematical expression in a symmetrical tensor of second rank, the energy-tensor. Thus in the general theory of relativity we must introduce a corresponding energy-tensor T^a_s, which, like the energy-components t_s of the gravitational field, will have a mixed character, but will pertain to a symmetrical covariant tensor.
 

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« Reply #23 on: 25/10/2009 15:44:19 »
There is a fact that seems to evade most people regarding energy as a source of gravity. Emnergy is a source of gravity because mass is defined to be the source and mass is proportional to energy. As Einstein wrote in his 1916 GR paper

So, my Theory is true in this way HAHA

E=mc^2
 

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« Reply #24 on: 25/10/2009 15:49:46 »
but E=mc^2 is special theory of Relativity ......
 

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