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« on: 28/10/2009 09:31:07 »
Where and Who is God ?

By idea the God ( HE  /  SHE / IT ) must be :
1.
Something Infinity Absolute it means to be in every place
2.
And something Absolute Concrete/ Limited it means
to be exactly in the concrete place.

Question:
Can God create our World without physics laws and formulas ?
The answer is: No !
Question:
Have physicists found these two Absolute parameters
 in the Universe ?
My answer is: Yes !
One Infinity Absolute Parameter is Vacuum: T=0K.
Second Absolute Concrete/ Limited Parameter is speed of
Quantum of Light in Vacuum: c=1.

Using these two Absolute Parameters I explain
 the creation of the Universe step by step.
== .
 Thomas Jefferson wrote in the letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
/  ...the more a subject is understood,
 the more briefly it may be explained. /

Einstein said:
/ You do not really understand something unless
 you can explain it to your grandmother. /

I think everybody can understand my theory.
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« Reply #1 on: 28/10/2009 10:13:48 »
first of all, T = 0K is impossible

Second, i don't think a quantum of light in vacuum moving at the speed of light and having a temp of absolute zero is omniscient.

Furhter on that note: God did not create mankind. Mankind created god.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 28/10/2009 21:16:28 »
"I think everybody can understand my theory."
wrong.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 28/10/2009 21:44:53 »
God is a concept.

We cannot possibly comprehend the infinite. This is why God is a concept. G-D is beyond all words and thought, we just use the word God to add a concept to something that is limitless (We are limiting it by giving it a personification) - its something that is non-existant but is very real. Think of something that is infinite and nothing at all, that is G-D - beyond words and thought.

However, God is still a useful tool regardless.

That is just my opinion however ... I don't need it to be proven.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 29/10/2009 11:18:34 »
Science and Religion: Is there a conflict?
Or maybe: 
Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
  / Albert Einstein. /
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All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.
/ Albert Einstein. /
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Science and Religion: Is there a conflict?
Or maybe there isn’t any conflict.
Religion or Physics ?  Faith or Knowledge ?
Or maybe our stupidity asks these questions.
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« Reply #5 on: 29/10/2009 12:06:40 »
When Albert said that religion and science where both ignorant and lame without each, he was referring to the historic influence of the church, and how many of the philosophical questions concerning God and the beginning of time had shaped physics for it had shaped the minds of the physicists who had created it.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 02/11/2009 13:58:13 »
If I were God, I would give chance to Human
to understand who I am by analyzing the physical
formulas, equations and laws. Because to create Everything
I need them. So, logically, catching the thread of the physics
Human can understand Me and My Work.
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Of course, it is only my opinion.

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« Reply #7 on: 04/11/2009 06:53:18 »
like millions before us when we could not explain what we saw,
 we turned to the gods for the answers.
But Zeus never gave the answers, nor did Neptune or Ra.
 No answers are given by the most modern one!
The answers come from mankind.
 It is us and only us who can unravel this mystery.
With no help from any divinity.
It is this mystery of who we are and what we see around us,
 that gives birth to gods.
If there is a string theory then we will find it.
But to suppose there is a single theory of everything,
seems like we are still much like the ancients.

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« Reply #8 on: 04/11/2009 07:51:22 »
But the ancient gods did give the answers.

To the question 'Where does the sun go at night and how does it get back to same starting place the morning without being seen?' The Egyptian Goddess 'Nut' gave the answer. She swallowed it at night and gave birth to it in the morning.

NUT

The Abrahamic One God has given us no answers to anything. He has never been seen or heard by anyone (save the odd one or two who claim they have), given us, collectively, the answers to a multitude of burning questions, answered the prayers of many, explained why thousands of innocents die in natural disasters and so on and so forth.

Please don't tell me God has answered these questions through other people, I don't want second hand news, I want to hear it, straight from the horses mouth. And don't quote the Bible, in case you were unaware, God didn't write it.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 04/11/2009 15:36:26 »
Where and Who is God ?

By idea the God ( HE  /  SHE / IT ) must be :
1.
Something Infinity Absolute it means to be in every place
2.
And something Absolute Concrete/ Limited it means
to be exactly in the concrete place.

Question:
Can God create our World without physics laws and formulas ?
The answer is: No !
Question:
Have physicists found these two Absolute parameters
 in the Universe ?
My answer is: Yes !
One Infinity Absolute Parameter is Vacuum: T=0K.
Second Absolute Concrete/ Limited Parameter is speed of
Quantum of Light in Vacuum: c=1.

Using these two Absolute Parameters I explain
 the creation of the Universe step by step.
== .
 Thomas Jefferson wrote in the letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
/  ...the more a subject is understood,
 the more briefly it may be explained. /

Einstein said:
/ You do not really understand something unless
 you can explain it to your grandmother. /

I think everybody can understand my theory.
==== .
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.

http://www.worldnpa.org/php2/index.php?tab0=Scientists&tab1=Display&id=1372
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I know you like to think deep, so i will leave this thread with a couple of gems you can philosphically-answer for yourself.

Where is God?

According to physics, there are idea's suggesting God is the fundamental force(s) of nature. What we call ''God'' is perhaps simply (but not so simply theoretically) is that He or She is the manifestation of the fundamental laws of nature. Now - if this is what we call God, then does the universe have an If it did, and this is God, then perhaps the reason why nature appears as it is now is because of some Divine interpretation and inetervention forming the first few instants of the big bang... but as i have ''jokeingly'' said in the past, ''God could not have had much time when He formed those lengths.''

Or is God omnipresent throughout a multiverse? Is the consciousness of God restricted with the dimensions of this vacuum, but is He or She smeared throughout an ensamble of universes? On a seperate note, a multiverse must finally prove the existence of some super-dimensional being capable of divine acts, since every reality that can exist in a sea of infinite universes, will exist. That means, that highly improbable universe which will allow a God-like being is actually found to be a real reality in some obscure universe and seemingly independant to ours. God certainly has a place within multiple universes anyhow. Though, there need not be an infinite amount of universes, according to Bryce de Witt but can exist a maximal of 10^100 universes in the grand landscape of parallel universes and certain string theories predict a landscape of 10^500 universes!

Then there are those incredibly small (or compactified) dimensions of string theory. They are curled up so small, that they are not visible not only to the eye, but current technology as well! Whilst many of the dimensions are unhabitable to the means of having the correct systems to function in accordance to the existence of life, remain strictly within those that live within the third, fourth and sixth dimensions. In the sixth dimension, its possible to have entire universes curled up into small spaces, but looks like completely normal universes from within. These universes are called ''Baby Universes'' - first theorized by Stephen Hawking in accordance to analyzing Hyperspace theory, where there can exist several dimensions in all. But in this dimension, some God-like entity could reside?

So, with all these ''hiding spots'' where is God?

Might it be that we are God?


 

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« Reply #10 on: 04/11/2009 19:05:24 »
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According to physics, there are idea's suggesting God is the fundamental force(s) of nature.

Umm...excuse me? says who? A few pseudoscientists?

"According to physics", You say it with such a sense of authority. If you were saying something actually supported by theory like "According to physics nothing can travel faster than light in a vacuum" I would not take issue, but please do not attempt to mislead people into accepting largely unsupported ideas under the false assertion that it's anywhere near the authoritative consensus of the physics community.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 04/11/2009 22:42:19 »
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According to physics, there are idea's suggesting God is the fundamental force(s) of nature.

Umm...excuse me? says who? A few pseudoscientists?

"According to physics", You say it with such a sense of authority. If you were saying something actually supported by theory like "According to physics nothing can travel faster than light in a vacuum" I would not take issue, but please do not attempt to mislead people into accepting largely unsupported ideas under the false assertion that it's anywhere near the authoritative consensus of the physics community.

No, generally, on a philosphical matter, physicists find mother nature adiquate to describe what we call God. For God sake, even the ancient indians believed in something similar, besides i'm not within the realm of the given science, and since this is new theories, i will not worry too much for what i have said.
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« Reply #12 on: 05/11/2009 10:06:07 »
According to physics, there are idea's suggesting God is the fundamental force(s) of nature.

God is just a three letter word.
If people call the wooden board with a handle and hinges that grants access to a room a "door"
Then why wouldn't people be allowed to call the fundamental force of nature "god" ;)

ie: What's in a name?
 

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« Reply #13 on: 05/11/2009 13:15:08 »
According to physics, there are idea's suggesting God is the fundamental force(s) of nature.

God is just a three letter word.
If people call the wooden board with a handle and
 hinges that grants access to a room a "door"
Then why wouldn't people be allowed to call
the fundamental force of nature "god" ;)
ie: What's in a name?
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The wooden board with a handle and hinges
 that grants access to a room is the " Vacuum: T=0K ".
The Fundamental forces of Nature are hidden there.
What is the name of these Fundamental forces ?
Their name are Light Quanta.
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All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
 no nearer to the answer to the question, ' What are light quanta?'
Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it,
 but he is mistaken.
( Albert Einstein, 1954)
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« Reply #14 on: 05/11/2009 13:16:53 »
Mr. ‘FF ’ wrote:
‘ There is only one place where "God" has been
 demonstrated, even proven to exist - in human brains.’
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God and Consciousness.
   
It seems you are right saying: ‘There is only one place
where "God" has been demonstrated, even proven
 to exist - in human brains.’   
 Why? Because if God exist, HE /SHE/ IT must be   
 in every place it means in human brains too.
 Question: is it possible to prove this ?
 I will try.
Our brain works on dualistic basis: usually consciousness
(logically)  and rarely unconsciousness ( at first it seems
 illogically but at last it shows as very wise act) .
In his book ‘ The Holographic Universe’  Michael Talbot
 on the page 160 explained this situation in such way:   
‘ Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may not be
 the brain that produce consciousness, but rather consciousness
 that creates the appearance of the brain -  . .  . .’
But as the ‘Bhagavad Gita’ says:
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form.
They do not know My transcendental nature and
 My supreme dominion over all that be.
 / Chapter  9. Text 11./
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« Reply #15 on: 06/11/2009 05:43:50 »
Science and religion in tandem can become a great force
to liberate the mind and help the humans to a fuller and better
understanding of reality.
  /  Sikh Religion and Science    
by G. S. Sidhu M.A;  FIL (London) /
http://www.sikhroots.net/resources/Sikh_Religion%20&Science.pdf
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Why every religion wants support from science ?

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« Reply #16 on: 06/11/2009 06:08:14 »

Or is God omnipresent throughout a multiverse?
 . . . .
Then there are those incredibly small (or compactified)
dimensions of string theory. They are curled up so small,
 that they are not visible not only to the eye, but current
 technology as well!

Whilst many of the dimensions are unhabitable to the means
of having the correct systems to function in accordance to
the existence of life, remain strictly within those that
live within the third, fourth and sixth dimensions.

In the sixth dimension, its possible to have entire universes
 curled up into small spaces, but looks like completely normal
 universes from within. These universes are called ''Baby Universes''
 - first theorized by Stephen Hawking  . . .
 . . . . . . .
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 . . . the third, fourth and sixth dimensions. . . . etc super - dimensions.
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It began in 1907 when Minkowski tried to understand
SRT using 4D  space
Nobody knows what Minkowski negative space  really is
Trying to understand it, Kaluza in 1921 created 5D space
 Nobody knows what it is too
So
If we don't know what  1+1 = 2
how can we know what   5 + 4 = 9 ?

And if we don't know what is 4-D  how can we
 understand SRT and another 10-D, 11-D/String theory  . . . .
etc  super- spaces ?
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« Reply #17 on: 08/11/2009 11:01:20 »
‘ The idea that the universe can be viewed as the compound
 of two basic orders, the implicate and the explicate, can be
 found in many other traditions.
The Tibetan Buddhists call these two aspects the void and
 nonvoid. The nonvoid is the reality of visible objects. The
 void, like the implicate order, is the birthplace of all things
 in the universe, . . .
 . . . only the void is real and all forms in the objective world
 are illusory, . . . .
The Hindus call the implicate level of reality Brahman.
Brahman is formless but is the birthplace of all forms in
visible reality, which appear out of it and then enfold back
 into it in endless flux.
 . . . consciousness is not only a subtler form of matter,
but it is more fundamental than matter, and in the Hindu
  cosmology it is matter that has emerged from consciousness,
 and not the other way around. Or as the Vedas put it, the
 physical world is brought into being through both the
‘ veiling’ and ‘ projecting’ powers of consciousness.
  . . .  the material universe is only a second- generation
 reality, a creation of veiled consciousness, the Hindus
 say that it is transitory and unreal, or ‘ maya’.
 . . .
This same concept can be found in Judaic thought.
 . . . . in shamanistic thinking . . . . . .
 . . . . . .
Like Bohm, who says that consciousness always has its
source  in the implicate, the aborigines believe that the
 true source of the mind is in the transcendent reality of
the dreamtime. Normal people do not realize this and
believe that their consciousness is in their bodies.
 . . . . .
The Dogan people of the Sudan also believe that the
 physical world is the product of a deeper and more
 fundamental level  of reality . . . . . .’
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Book / The Holographic Universe.
Part 3 / 9. Pages 287 – 289.
By Michael Talbot. /
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My questions after reading this book.

Is it possible that Physics confirmed and proved the
 Religion philosophy of life ?
How is it possible to understand the Religion philosophy
 of life from modern Physics view?
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My opinion.
Fact.
 The detected material mass of the  matter in the
Universe is so small (the average density of all
substance in the Universe is approximately
  p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that it  cannot ‘close’ the
Universe into sphere  and therefore our Universe
 as whole is ‘open’, Endless Void / Nothingness /
Vacuum : T=0K.
Quantum Physics says the Vacuum is the birthplace
of all ‘ virtual’ particles . Nobody knows what there are,
but ‘the virtual particles’ change the Vacuum in a
local places and create  Nonvoid / Material / Gravity
World with stars, planets  and all another objects and
 subjects  in the Universe.
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Without Eternal/ Infinite Void / Vacuum physics makes no sense.
But . . . . . . .
" The problem of the exact description of vacuum,
 in my opinion,   is the basic problem now before physics.
Really, if you can’t correctly describe the vacuum,
 how it is possible to expect a correct description
of something more complex? "
  / Paul Dirac ./
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Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=23624&st=15
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2547&st=105
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2548
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« Reply #18 on: 10/11/2009 21:19:28 »
IMO,G-D is existance itself. God is a cocept. God is what shapes G-D and is how we connect through it. If you believe that God should be a he, then you will do what you must to connect through him to experience what ever you expect.

If you believe God doesn't exist, this is someone elses experience of G-D. I am probably using the wrong word - I just dont have anything better to use :) Ok, lets not call it G-D, lets call it Pasta. Still the same effect.

If you believe God, this is how you experience the pasta, if you dont - you are still experiencing the same Pasta.

My truth is not necessarily your truth.

WE ARE ALL ALIVE =)
 

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« Reply #19 on: 12/11/2009 11:18:33 »
Different  points of view.
1.
In Physics we trust.  / Tarun Biswas /
 and plus millions  of other believers .
2.
Science is not always as objective as we would like to believe.
 / Michael Talbot. / and plus few others.
3.
Religion or Physics ?  Faith or Knowledge ?
 / some doubtful  people. /
4.
Science and religion in tandem can become a great force
to liberate the mind and help the humans to a fuller and better
understanding of reality.
  /  G. S. Sidhu  /  and plus some individuals . 
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In Physics we trust.  Is it correct ?
Yes, it is logically correct. Why ?
Because only Physics can logically explain us
the Ultimate Nature of Reality.

Israel Socratus.
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« Reply #20 on: 15/11/2009 18:42:38 »
What does Religion expect from modern Science ?
What can modern Science learn from Religion ?
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« Reply #21 on: 17/11/2009 12:06:31 »
John Polkinghorne  and his book ‘ Quantum theory’.
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I like to read his books because they raise many questions.
 And these questions  give information for brain to think.
John Polkinghorne  took epigraph of his book ‘ Quantum theory’
 the Feynman’s thought : ‘ I think I can safely say that
 nobody understands  quantum mechanics. ‘
Why?
Because, he wrote:
‘ ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should.
We shall see in what follows that important interpretative
 issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their
eventual settlement not only physical insight but also
metaphysical decision ’.
/ preface/
‘ Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved,
and these are the subject of continuing dispute’
/ page 40/
‘ If  the study of quantum physics teaches one anything,
 it is that the world is full of surprises’
  / page 87 /
‘ Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take
 very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory
 include: . . . .’
   / page 88 /
‘Quantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .’
   / page92 /
‘ Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and
instructive phenomenon, .  .’
   / page 92 /

Togetherness.
John Polkinghorne, as a realist, want to know
 ‘ what the physical world is actually like’, but until now
 physicists don’t have the whole picture of Universe.
And in my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing
 what to understand the problems of creating the Universe:
‘ They will demand for their eventual settlement not only
physical insight but also metaphysical decision ’.
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« Reply #22 on: 18/11/2009 12:10:41 »
‘ QT . . . ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should.
We shall see in what follows that important interpretative
 issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their
eventual settlement not only physical insight but also
metaphysical decision ’.
/ ‘ Quantum theory’ by John Polkinghorne /
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Polkinghorne
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So, maybe, Aristotle was right separating the knowledge
 of Nature on two parts: Physics  and  Metaphysics.
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« Reply #23 on: 09/01/2010 13:59:41 »
You know Socratus. Maybe it's us defining the universe.
Maybe it doesn't 'know' itself. It just is.

And so we are the ones that will decide it. And doing it we bring in new concepts that SpaceTime never heard about before. Justice, love. fairness, good and evil. We grow the information space.
 

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