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« Reply #75 on: 22/03/2016 20:45:27 »
I'm sorry Tim, but is there any chance that you may post in a 'deeper' blue?
 

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« Reply #76 on: 22/03/2016 23:53:57 »
There is no problem with 10 billion productive people on the planet. There is space a plenty and if the resource that is human endevour is allowed to develope the deserts with good land management there will be more than enough food for all.
The Oklahoma Dust Bowl, the Sahara Desert, and the gradual salinification of coastal Asia, are all testaments to human endeavor. Land management in a temperate, fertile country like England has led to increased frequency of flooding. Great swathes of the Amazon basin have been rendered sterile by all forms of agriculture, most of which resulted in the starvation of their practitioners.
 

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« Reply #77 on: 25/03/2016 14:45:53 »
There is no problem with 10 billion productive people on the planet. There is space a plenty and if the resource that is human endevour is allowed to develope the deserts with good land management there will be more than enough food for all.
The Oklahoma Dust Bowl, the Sahara Desert, and the gradual salinification of coastal Asia, are all testaments to human endeavor. Land management in a temperate, fertile country like England has led to increased frequency of flooding. Great swathes of the Amazon basin have been rendered sterile by all forms of agriculture, most of which resulted in the starvation of their practitioners.

Yes, that's the sort of trouble that happens when you don't do it right.

Doing it right however can result in great things.

https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change?language=en

Please watch this video. It will change your opinion.
 

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« Reply #78 on: 25/03/2016 20:36:05 »
Interesting, but baffling! So herds of domestic animals cause desertification and reverse it. There must be some secret in that "planned grazing" concept that has escaped farmers for the last thousand years or so, and it looks as though the secret is actually "unplanned" grazing, as done by wild animals that just follow the grass.
 

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« Reply #79 on: 25/03/2016 22:15:11 »
In the UK there is a very effective form of birth control i.e An obsession with owning your own house and very high house prices.
It is impossible for a married couple with only one person working to buy a house so both work and take great care not to conceive or have abortions if they do.
 
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« Reply #80 on: 25/03/2016 22:31:06 »
Interesting, but baffling! So herds of domestic animals cause desertification and reverse it. There must be some secret in that "planned grazing" concept that has escaped farmers for the last thousand years or so, and it looks as though the secret is actually "unplanned" grazing, as done by wild animals that just follow the grass.

Yeah, who would have thought it, the herd animals which live off grass are good at looking after it..... better than us humans..... oops!

There are loads of other videos about such stuff out there. Some of the ways desert can be greened by making little trenches horizontally across the land to get the water to soak into the ground and allow the first few plants to start thus providingthe wind cover for a decent soil and more plants are well worth a watch.
 

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« Reply #81 on: 26/03/2016 00:08:27 »
In the UK there is a very effective form of birth control i.e An obsession with owning your own house and very high house prices.
It is impossible for a married couple with only one person working to buy a house so both work and take great care not to conceive or have abortions if they do.
Interestingly, this is the flip side of a coin that was tossed in the 1960s when oral contraceptives became available and for the first time it was possible to get a mortgage based on full joint salaries. There being something of a shortage of houses, house prices rose to meet the available money, and almost doubled in 5 years. This led to the expectation that a house is a sound financial investment and as a result Brits now pay more for housing as a fraction of income than anyone else.

Since gross domestic product consists of all financial transactions, whether or not they are actually productive, successive governments have promoted house price inflation, the "housing ladder" and "stimulating the housing market" as a Good Thing because they increase GDP per capita (the economist's only parameter of governmental performance) without anyone actually having to make anything or invest public money in a venture that might involve some risk. Except that when private ventures go belly-up, government has to step in and bail out the Channel Tunnel, the banks, the poverty-stricken thieves who now own your railway companies....at your expense.  So now we have no manufacturing industry, collapsing public infrastructure, no mines, no fisheries, farming wholly dependent on subsidies and artificial market support through EU intervention, and a looming energy crisis thanks to a complete absence of investment in secure power supply, but a really, really strong economy (the fifth largest in the world, they tell us) based on selling secondhand houses to each other, like a queue of hermit crabs swapping shells. 
 

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Re: Ideas for population control?
« Reply #82 on: 26/03/2016 14:41:27 »
Interesting, but baffling! So herds of domestic animals cause desertification and reverse it. There must be some secret in that "planned grazing" concept that has escaped farmers for the last thousand years or so, and it looks as though the secret is actually "unplanned" grazing, as done by wild animals that just follow the grass.

Yeah, who would have thought it, the herd animals which live off grass are good at looking after it..... better than us humans..... oops!

There are loads of other videos about such stuff out there. Some of the ways desert can be greened by making little trenches horizontally across the land to get the water to soak into the ground and allow the first few plants to start thus providingthe wind cover for a decent soil and more plants are well worth a watch.


massive artificial lakes and rivers spanning entire continents will become common eventually and the goal should be to make them as natural and scenic looking as possible- artificial geography doesnt have to look artificial. we should keep in mind all continents are temporary anyway.. the earths crusts continually recycle/rearrange the surface of this planet so we may as well use it before we lose it
 

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Re: Ideas for population control?
« Reply #83 on: 26/03/2016 17:17:10 »
Interesting, but baffling! So herds of domestic animals cause desertification and reverse it. There must be some secret in that "planned grazing" concept that has escaped farmers for the last thousand years or so, and it looks as though the secret is actually "unplanned" grazing, as done by wild animals that just follow the grass.

Yeah, who would have thought it, the herd animals which live off grass are good at looking after it..... better than us humans..... oops!

There are loads of other videos about such stuff out there. Some of the ways desert can be greened by making little trenches horizontally across the land to get the water to soak into the ground and allow the first few plants to start thus providingthe wind cover for a decent soil and more plants are well worth a watch.


massive artificial lakes and rivers spanning entire continents will become common eventually and the goal should be to make them as natural and scenic looking as possible- artificial geography doesnt have to look artificial. we should keep in mind all continents are temporary anyway.. the earths crusts continually recycle/rearrange the surface of this planet so we may as well use it before we lose it

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Re: Ideas for population control?
« Reply #84 on: 07/08/2016 08:09:06 »
Difficult.

Easy solution for England is to send all those migrants back where they came from... but what happens when the native Americans and Australian aborigines send ours back? Migration works both ways.

Holding family size to replacement numbers works... for now but it reduces evolutionary pressure. We will see a build up of defective and ineffective genes without some artificial process to compensate and exactly who would you like to control it?
 

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