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God(s) can not exist, can they?

Yes, God(s) can not exist.
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No, God(s) do exist.
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« on: 25/11/2009 06:49:04 »
Fundamental Theory Of Existence.
1. Zero can not exist as denominator.
2. Anything can not be created out of nothingness, only change of form is possible and change is everywhere.
3. Anything can not be destroyed into nothingness, only change of form is possible and change is everywhere.
4. Existence of anything can not be infinite.
5. There is no beginning and an end to the existence of the World.
6. There are finite absolute laws.
7. Velocity of light is relative.
8. There are three dimensions and three dimensions only.
9. Time Travel can not exist.
10. Tan 90 can not exist.
11. God(s) can not exist.


 

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« Reply #1 on: 25/11/2009 08:18:08 »
So, I can select up to two options eh? Right then, I shall select both options, since God/s, in some senses, cannot exist and in other senses do exist. Ask any priest, rabbi, monk, imam etc etc.

As an atheist, I do not believe in any God, but I respect the right of others who choose to do so, whoever/whatever that God may be. Can we all please do likewise?
 

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« Reply #2 on: 25/11/2009 10:39:29 »
Gods exist in the minds of true believers. This is as real as anything gets for any observer. How can a sentient being know that any perceived reality actually exists? I suspect that the best we can do is to suspect that our world exists as we perceive it to be. Than we can act based upon our suspicions while always knowing that suspicions are only perceived realities.

What seems to be real, might not be what is actually real.

I suspect that in the OP the word "world" should be changed to "universe". I am not sure if that is the context, or meaning, that was intended. The word "world" usually means the earth.  Also, postulate 4 seems in conflict with postulate 5.
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« Reply #3 on: 25/11/2009 10:43:21 »
I also voted for both options and will repeat my thoughts on god:

"God did not create mankind, mankind created god"

Personally I'm an agnostic atheist
« Last Edit: 25/11/2009 10:45:25 by Nizzle »
 

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« Reply #4 on: 25/11/2009 12:42:29 »
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God(s) can not exist, can they?
You may only select up to 2 options.
Yes, God(s) can not exist.
No, God(s) do exist.
I can select up to two mutually exclusive options. What's that about?
 

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« Reply #5 on: 25/11/2009 13:18:41 »
I also voted for both options and will repeat my thoughts on god:

"God did not create mankind, mankind created god"

Personally I'm an agnostic atheist

That's kewl !

As a sheepy I think I must be an agnostic atheist too !
 

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« Reply #6 on: 26/11/2009 04:03:14 »
Gods exist in the minds of true believers. This is as real as anything gets for any observer. How can a sentient being know that any perceived reality actually exists? I suspect that the best we can do is to suspect that our world exists as we perceive it to be. Than we can act based upon our suspicions while always knowing that suspicions are only perceived realities.

What seems to be real, might not be what is actually real.

I suspect that in the OP the word "world" should be changed to "universe". I am not sure if that is the context, or meaning, that was intended. The word "world" usually means the earth.  Also, postulate 4 seems in conflict with postulate 5.
Visit this link and you will know why postulates 4 and 5 don't contradict each other...
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=26911.0
 

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« Reply #7 on: 26/11/2009 04:38:55 »

God(s) can not exist and here are the reasons/answers...

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=26911.0
 

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« Reply #8 on: 26/11/2009 08:10:48 »
tell me who created the energy ?
well we say that energy can't be created nor can be destroyed.

this is the meaningless statement that I have ever seen.

But, when I look at stars in the night sky.

I always wonder why ? How ?
this universe was created.

It doesn't mean that something like GOD does not exist or EXIST !

WE just don't know ..

Only way is to know the source of energy.
the origin of energy out of nothingness.

Physics says out of NOTHINGNESS and Energy out of NO WARE our Universe was born with a Bang !

SOMETHING is self doing or self replicating it self.

Every thing just happened it self with the help of constants.

CONSTANTS
ENERGY
MATTER
BIG BANG ??

SELF DOING BY IT SELF !!??

this self doing is like wish or will like a imaginary talented Preson inside his brain with HIGH IQ..
perhaps it could be god or ITSELF !!

if we calculate the probability of existence of HUMANS and earth in correct position or accuracy of CONSTANTS ...

It always comes to Impossibility.

We are still working on this concept.
We can't just say any thing about this OK..

just think about this ... We only can see Visible range of LIGHT ..not all wavelength of light.

YOU or any one can't say or give that a UNIVERSAL statement that only visible light is light it self. No until UV , X rays and others proved that Light is form of different wave length.

Well the IMPORTANT thing is that we just don't know ??
until we study whole UNIVERSE it self .

WE need HELP of Extra terrestrial life who got evolved somewhere in this UNIVERSE.
To combine the knowledge of all the parts of GALAXIES.
combine all parts of UNIVERSE with a NETWORK soo advanced that

WE can exchange messages faster than velocity of LIGHT.

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO FIND !

but we are still not getting any radio signals in SETI LOL !

gathering all KNOWLEDGE from different parts of UNIVERSE.

Let Einstein or Newton or any one make a statement about this would be always wrong.

We NEED TO talk the help from ALIENS.

first we need to contact them ...

LIKE different countries offer different knowledge from different parts of our world. all living intelligent in this universe must combine their own knowledge with our own than we can come to conclusion about this...  .

"GOD character "
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« Reply #9 on: 26/11/2009 08:17:55 »
Fundamental Theory Of Existence.
1. Zero can not exist as denominator.
2. Anything can not be created out of nothingness, only change of form is possible and change is everywhere.
3. Anything can not be destroyed into nothingness, only change of form is possible and change is everywhere.
4. Existence of anything can not be infinite.
5. There is no beginning and an end to the existence of the World.
6. There are finite absolute laws.
7. Velocity of light is relative.
8. There are three dimensions and three dimensions only.
9. Time Travel can not exist.
10. Tan 90 can not exist.
11. God(s) can not exist.
CHANGE YOUR VOTING SYSTEM MAN !!
 

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« Reply #10 on: 26/11/2009 08:22:26 »
NO matter
whatever you say it is Impossible question !

Combining understanding of Universe and knowledge about universe with ET is only way..


WE NEED TO EXPLORE EVERY END OF UNIVERSE ???

sounds impossible huh ?
we really need Aliens to help us in this case !
« Last Edit: 26/11/2009 09:20:04 by ScientificBoyZClub »
 

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« Reply #11 on: 26/11/2009 08:35:33 »
I also voted for both options and will repeat my thoughts on god:

"God did not create mankind, mankind created god"

Personally I'm an agnostic atheist

That's kewl !

As a sheepy I think I must be an agnostic atheist too !
As sheepy, you is creature and as man I haz domino over you (or someat), tha old man wiv dog colla sez so.
So get some spotz on your back and lines up wiv your woolly chums if tha spotz iz tha same.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 26/11/2009 11:34:11 »
I also voted for both options and will repeat my thoughts on god:

"God did not create mankind, mankind created god"

Personally I'm an agnostic atheist

That's kewl !

As a sheepy I think I must be an agnostic atheist too !
As sheepy, you is creature and as man I haz domino over you (or someat), tha old man wiv dog colla sez so.
So get some spotz on your back and lines up wiv your woolly chums if tha spotz iz tha same.

If I had spotz on my back I'd be a leopard-sheep !!
 

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« Reply #13 on: 01/12/2009 03:52:18 »
Wish me luck... I am going to present my theory to Nobel laureates during the Second Science conclave in India.
 

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« Reply #14 on: 01/12/2009 04:11:10 »
5. There is no beginning and an end to the existence of the World.

What do you mean by this statement? Do you mean world as in the earth? Why is there no beginning and why is there an end?

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8. There are three dimensions and three dimensions only.

How can you know that?
 

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« Reply #15 on: 02/12/2009 01:15:54 »
I am really bored of trying to prove/disprove god.

I believe in G-D. G-D is a transcended concept that can not be grasped by humans, just like infinity or random.

God is a personification applied to G-D (this transcended non-sentiment being thing overlord of the west), there by giving it an existance. I can easily say that anything and everything is apart of G-D, but lets replace G-D with say... Universe?

Same thing, different word.

These concepts are used to 'move' around in the Universe/G-D. Of course, we are bound by the rules of nature :)
 

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« Reply #16 on: 03/12/2009 05:46:13 »
Creation is not possible and destruction is also not possible therefore there is no beginning and an end to our World/Universe.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 03/12/2009 06:12:45 »
I also voted for both options and will repeat my thoughts on god:

"God did not create mankind, mankind created god"

Personally I'm an agnostic atheist

That's kewl !

As a sheepy I think I must be an agnostic atheist too !

I'm an agnostic dyslexic insomniac.

That's why I stay awake all night wondering if there really is a dog.
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« Reply #18 on: 04/12/2009 05:41:34 »
I also voted for both options and will repeat my thoughts on god:

"God did not create mankind, mankind created god"

Personally I'm an agnostic atheist [nofollow]

That's kewl !

As a sheepy I think I must be an agnostic atheist [nofollow] too !

I'm an agnostic dyslexic insomniac.

That's why I stay awake all night wondering if there really is a dog.
What dog? You made me laugh.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 04/12/2009 06:12:23 »
Good! It was a joke.

(Those who suffer from dyslexia sometimes put the letters in a word in the wrong order. I do it a tol lot.)
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« Reply #20 on: 04/12/2009 06:15:22 »
Good! It was a joke.

Well, very nearly.
 

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« Reply #21 on: 04/12/2009 06:23:01 »
Good! It was a joke.

Well, very nearly.

"Danmed with faint priase!"
 

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« Reply #22 on: 08/12/2009 13:14:32 »
Today I met two Nobel Laureates and gave them my theory papers and I hope that they take a look at it and reply tomorrow.
 

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« Reply #23 on: 13/12/2009 14:34:56 »
Why aren't there so many voters in here?
 

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« Reply #24 on: 13/12/2009 15:18:06 »
I didn't vote because of how the questions are phrased. 'Yes, God(s) can not exist.' You can't say that they cannot exist because it is an untestable hypothesis, just that they almost certainly don't.

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Creation is not possible and destruction is also not possible therefore there is no beginning and an end to our World/Universe.

Do you mean no beginning or end? It's a contradicting statement otherwise
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