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Offline socratus

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« on: 25/11/2009 06:56:13 »
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Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
That is the truth.
 So, what is Religion?
Religion is the poor man's philosophy.

Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
That is the truth.
For example: One Galaxy can eat another Galaxy.
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Cosmic cannibalising:
Images show one galaxy engulfing another
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cosmic-cannibalising-images-show-one-galaxy-engulfing-another-1780652.html
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The Discovery of one Galaxy "Attacking" Another
http://www.astronomyexpert.co.uk/the-recent-discovery-of-one-galaxy-attacking-another.html
 . . ..  etc
So, what is Physics?
Physics is the poor man's philosophy.
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What to do?
I think we must answer to the simple classic question:
 what did come first the chicken or the egg ?
If somebody didn’t understand this question, I will ask it simpler:
What was before Vacuum or Gravity ?
Does Gravity exist in Vacuum or vice versa?
Why I ask these questions.
Because the Universe ( as a whole ) is Two- Measured,
there are two Worlds: Vacuum and Gravity.
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Israel Socratus.


 

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« Reply #1 on: 25/11/2009 13:00:06 »
Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
That is the truth.
I disagree.
Fables and fantasies wouldn't allow us to engineer practical tools on the 'principles' they give us.
Do you think the computer you are reading this on is a result of fables and fantasies?
 

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« Reply #2 on: 25/11/2009 16:17:06 »
I disagree also, how is one galaxy eating another a fantasy? It's observed, there's evidence for it.

However there is no evidence that a flying spaghetti monster created us, that is a fantasy.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 25/11/2009 18:45:11 »
"Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
That is the truth"
You are reading this on a computer screen. The design of that computer is based on modern physics.
If you can read this then you know that the statement made by Socratus is false.

"Physics is the poor man's philosophy."
In the very real sense that, for example, the LHC was free with a packet of breakfast cereal*.
Whatever physics may be it's not the "poor man's" anything.

* actually cost about 2.6 billion pounds.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 25/11/2009 19:05:53 »
Hahaha
 

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« Reply #5 on: 25/11/2009 19:24:25 »
Most religious people are aware religion isn't a tool for divining the truth anymore. Science is, so why are they being compared with the same measuring stick..?
« Last Edit: 25/11/2009 19:27:24 by glovesforfoxes »
 

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« Reply #6 on: 26/11/2009 12:36:19 »
Some more ‘ true’  Physical fables and fantasies.
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1.
The Big Bang.
Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, all matter
 (all elementary particles and all quarks and their
girlfriends- antiparticles and antiquarks, all kinds of
 waves: electromagnetic, gravitational,  muons…
gluons field ….. etc.) – was assembled in a ‘single point ‘
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I don’t agree with the ‘big bang’ theory because nobody
 knows how the ‘ big bang’ can change into ‘single point ‘
if Hawking’s radiation from ‘ black hole’ doesn’t give it
 to happen.
2.
Most of elementary particles were got in artificial way,
using accelerators. This way, in my opinion, is mistaken.
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In the Ancient Egypt people believed in many gods with
 human body and animal’s head. They thought they really
 existed. For me these new discovered elementary artificial
particles are similar to Egyptian’s gods because we cannot
meet them into any atom, in any physical, chemical, biological
processes on our Earth.
In the Ancient Greek the people believed that sphinxes and
centaurs really exist. Maybe now some geneticists can create
a centaur, but it will be Devil’s work. I am sorry to tell that,
 but it seems to me, physicists, creating such elementary
artificial particles look like those ‘some geneticists’.
(  The mad CERN’s way.
http://www.spacekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/astronomy/13338/The-mad-CERN-s-project ).
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3.
Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, there was ‘ bin bang’.
And every particle appears with its own spin as derivative from
the Big Bang.
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I think the spin of quantum particle doesn’t come  from
big bang, but it comes with ‘ virtual particle from Dirac’s sea’.
 Why?
We have the real particle – electron. Nobody doubts
it is a real particle. But a strange thing happens when it
interacts with Vacuum. All its physical parameters become
 infinite. Why? Is it possible? What is the reason?
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The conditions of the ocean permitted to create different kinds
of fish. The terrestrial’s conditions permitted to create different
 kinds of animals. And the ‘mixed’ conditions of water, earth
and air on Earth permitted to create, for example, birds, which
 live and act in these three conditions.
And if we take Universe as a whole, it is Two- Measured:
close by Material ( Gravity) World exists Infinite Vacuum World.
The conditions in these two Worlds are different.
And when electron moves from Material (Gravity) World to the
Infinite Vacuum World its physical parameters changes.
" The law of conservation and transformation energy / mass"
is connected with electron’s transformation.

We know the electron is very important particle in our live.
It acts in Maxwell’s electrodynamics.
It acts in the atom.
But how electron acts in cell and in Outer space we don’t know.
We need time to understand this fact.
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P.S.
Tell me what an electron is and I'll then tell you everything.
/ Somebody./
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Another ‘ true’  Physical fables and fantasies:
The time that stretches and space that expands,
dark matter, dark energy, Higgs boson, quarks, gluons
 and tachyons, axions and partons,  qravitino ,  . . etc.
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P.S.
"One thing I have learned in a long life:
 that all our science, measured against reality,  is primitive
 and childlike - and yet it is the most precious thing we have."
          / Einstein./
This quote is correct, because only Physics can logically
explain us the Ultimate Nature of Reality.
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« Reply #7 on: 26/11/2009 15:37:38 »
always follow science.
to see the god.
science is true religion to worship GOD.
 

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