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« Reply #25 on: 12/12/2009 14:22:51 »
My problem with the idea that "it works for him" is that it's not him that's sick- the animals are. Giving them water and thereby convincing yourself that they get better seems imoral to me.

Agreed. I think he would object strongly to the treatment of animals with homeopathic methods if he believed it did not work. However, he "knows" it works (since it works for him and several other people he knows, some in my own circle of friends) and cannot be the placebo effect since animals are not susceptible to it. He is a complete animal lover. If I showed him though scientific articles that demonstrate that homeopathic treatments do not work, he would declare this to be a result of scientific narrow-mindedness. He is a difficult case this way.

According to the principals of homeopathics, place a steak in a gallon of water, draw out a dram of that water, put a drop of it in another vial and shake it, draw out a drop and put it in a fresh vial of water.  Repeat this a dozen times or so.
The final vial should be as nutritious as the steak.  Let him drink that diluted steak water for a couple of days and let him see how hungry he becomes.

Hey! I think I'll try that with Johnnie Walker. It's going to save me a fortune.

It might even have the desired effect if you dilute Johnnie Walker with alcohol instead of water. Not sure about the money saving with this method though.
 

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« Reply #26 on: 12/12/2009 14:47:19 »
My problem with the idea that "it works for him" is that it's not him that's sick- the animals are. Giving them water and thereby convincing yourself that they get better seems imoral to me.

Agreed. I think he would object strongly to the treatment of animals with homeopathic methods if he believed it did not work. However, he "knows" it works (since it works for him and several other people he knows, some in my own circle of friends) and cannot be the placebo effect since animals are not susceptible to it. He is a complete animal lover. If I showed him though scientific articles that demonstrate that homeopathic treatments do not work, he would declare this to be a result of scientific narrow-mindedness. He is a difficult case this way.
Animals are not susceptible to the placebo effect, but nobody is asking the animals how they feel.
On the other hand, the farmer is susceptible and he is the one who gets asked. If he thinks this mumbo jumbo will do them good then he will "see" imporvements in their condition whether those imporvements exist or not.
 

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« Reply #27 on: 24/12/2009 10:29:48 »
I have used homeopathic preparations for most of my life, with about the same succes as conventional medicines. ( some worked some did not, could be the placebo effect or I got better anyway)I have also used them on my pets, at least they did not kill them as was yhe case with two dogs treated by conventional vets.
On two occasions I obtained significant success using homeopathic prepartions on my crops as a form of pest control. On the first occasion which was recorded and observed, I used a few drops of a preparation in the irrigation water of a crop of organic tomatoes, which were heavily infested with thrip. Within 3 days the thrip had left the crop alone.
On the second occasion I used another preparation in the sane manner on a crop of capsicums that I was growing during a mouse plague. The end result was that I picked & sold ten tonnes of capsicums,and my neighbours lost their complete crop. How do you explain that. alanan
 

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« Reply #28 on: 24/12/2009 10:55:17 »
On the second occasion I used another preparation in the sane manner on a crop of capsicums that I was growing during a mouse plague. The end result was that I picked & sold ten tonnes of capsicums,and my neighbours lost their complete crop. How do you explain that.

Possibly mice prefer the taste of your neighbours crop to yours.

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Mammals like squirrels (rats, mice) reject capsicum concentrations as low as 1-10 ppm.
http://icwdm.org/Prevention/birdfeeders.asp
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« Reply #29 on: 27/12/2009 03:35:03 »
Mice love capsicums. On a previous occasion I lost over 3,000 boxes of capsicums to mice within a week. The homeopathic preparation I am told made the capsicums unattractive to the mice. On another occasion when my neighpours crops were being devastated by thrip, which were almost non existant on my crops, my neighbour said to me. "  Have you got a sign post on your place telling the thrip to turn back". The fact is that the preparation that I used was probably the equivalent of putting one drop of solution in an Olympic swimming pool. To make things more unbelievable the preparations were made with a radionic machine, which somehow transfers the properties of one product to another without any actual contact. I have yet found anyone who can explain a radionics machine.
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« Reply #30 on: 02/01/2010 12:23:07 »

On the second occasion I used another preparation in the sane manner.
How do you explain that.
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« Reply #31 on: 02/01/2010 14:43:35 »
Pointing out a typo?
 

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« Reply #32 on: 02/01/2010 19:24:06 »
For those who dare to ask;

(BTW - put down your coffee mug BEFORE you click on this link, unless you want to spray coffee all over your computer)

http://www.radionicsmagic.com/


 

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« Reply #33 on: 02/01/2010 19:57:45 »
Hmmm, ... lust spells!

 

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« Reply #34 on: 03/01/2010 04:55:23 »
I notice the same site also promotes astral travel, and witchcraft lessons.I am glad I put my coffee cup down.
 

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« Reply #35 on: 03/01/2010 05:15:48 »
Nice one. I'm still giggling.
 

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« Reply #36 on: 03/01/2010 07:19:09 »
 ??? ??? I once went to a demonstration of a radionics machine. The woman who made the presentation came from the other side of Australia, and had no local knowledge. I gave her an arial photograph of my property, which was infested with a weed,( oxalis pes capri, commonly known as soursob.) This could not have been identified from the photograph.
The woman put the photo on one side of the machine, and then proceeded to use a series of cards with patterns on them which looked like hieroglyphs. She cross referenced a card to another file, which indicated oxalis species.
There are two explanations for this.
One she was a trickster, and was doing it for personal gain. She made absolutely no money from the presentation. Thyere was about a dozen people at the presentation, and we split her costs which amounted to $15 each for the whole day.
Two. The bloody thing worked, and as the same machine was used to prepare some homeopathic preparations which i used on my farm at no cost. I am left with the following conclusion. People who say that radionics machines & homeopathy are all scams don't know what they are talking about. I still cannot find anyone who can give me a rational explanation.
 

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« Reply #37 on: 03/01/2010 14:06:46 »
??? ??? I once went to a demonstration of a radionics machine. The woman who made the presentation came from the other side of Australia, and had no local knowledge. I gave her an arial photograph of my property, which was infested with a weed,( oxalis pes capri, commonly known as soursob.) This could not have been identified from the photograph.
The woman put the photo on one side of the machine, and then proceeded to use a series of cards with patterns on them which looked like hieroglyphs. She cross referenced a card to another file, which indicated oxalis species.
There are two explanations for this.
One she was a trickster, and was doing it for personal gain. She made absolutely no money from the presentation. Thyere was about a dozen people at the presentation, and we split her costs which amounted to $15 each for the whole day.
Two. The bloody thing worked, and as the same machine was used to prepare some homeopathic preparations which i used on my farm at no cost. I am left with the following conclusion. People who say that radionics machines & homeopathy are all scams don't know what they are talking about. I still cannot find anyone who can give me a rational explanation.


Maybe there is no rational explanation. Yet. However, it seems to be exceedingly rare to find something amazing among the piles and piles of nonsense and garbage.
 

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« Reply #38 on: 04/01/2010 13:33:16 »
Pointing out a typo?
Or a Freudian slip; I'm not sure which.
 

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« Reply #39 on: 06/01/2010 08:55:12 »
 :D >:( :odefinitely a typo, or maybe!!
 

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