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IS this the visible vibration of life?
« on: 16/01/2010 23:23:02 »
The visible vibration of life


We search through accelerators, split  atoms, to nucleus, protons, quarks, quarks, in search for more fundamental particles. But here a more important search,  scientific research into  the visible vibration, the energy of life. Here it is:

Close your eyes and open your eyes inside  And look and SEE movements all over inside your close eyelid, see  by the millions, endlessly popping, wiggling, vibrating. That is the visible vibration and energy of life in  you.


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I have changed the statement that appears on the post to a question. That is whay there is a question mark at when you post a topic.
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Re: IS this the visible vibration of life?
« Reply #1 on: 17/01/2010 00:03:03 »
The visible vibration of life
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We search through accelerators, spend billions, to split  atoms, nucleus, protons,  neutrons, quarks,  in search for more fundamental particles, in search for origin of the universe, in search for source of atoms in life?.. But here a more  meaningful scientific research into life, itself: the  visible vibration, the energy of life. Here it is:

Close your eyes and open your eyes inside  And look and see movements all over by the millions, endlessly popping, wiggling, vibrating. That is the visible vibration and energy of life in  you.


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« Reply #2 on: 17/01/2010 00:44:39 »
I know the "Tao Of Physics" was published in the '70's. I read it then. But this needs to go to the New Theories section of the forum.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 17/01/2010 09:10:26 »

I, too, is very well acquainted with eastern philosophy, including "tao",(for more than 30 years, but I never read it has something to do with this vibration.

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« Reply #4 on: 17/01/2010 13:38:39 »
The idea that this pehenomenon is anything of any significance is a new idea (and I might add, has been put forward without any semblance of a basis so it's a guess rather than a theory) but the observation isn't new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene
 

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« Reply #5 on: 17/01/2010 22:09:53 »
That phenomenon, re-visible vibration of life inside the closed eyelids, has been noticed by most  human beings but taken for granted..  (including you) because everyone has eyes.

You claim it is a guess, not even a theory…, then what is it because it is visibly, endlessly, non-stop in motion, popping in and out, , vibrating inside closed eyelids., IT IS REAL, ALIVE . Scientifically, what is it?

Taoism   has songs, sounds, for healthful vibrations. No conflicts.


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« Reply #6 on: 18/01/2010 06:55:31 »
It's noise in the system; the equivalent of the hiss you hear from an untuned radio or the "snow" on a TV that's between channelos.
 

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« Reply #7 on: 18/01/2010 10:18:54 »
What is a healthful vibration?
 

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« Reply #8 on: 18/01/2010 19:53:56 »
"What is a healthful vibration?"
The Beach Boys wrote a song about it.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 26/01/2010 01:43:28 »

Such is vibration of life, of the living, of the spirit that gives life in flesh in us.


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« Reply #10 on: 26/01/2010 03:21:01 »
What evidence leads you to that conclusion?
 

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« Reply #11 on: 26/01/2010 13:55:58 »
We are the evidence of the living spirit that dwells and that gives life to flesh in us, these gifts of  searching minds, the scientific minds that know no boundary, that know there is perfection  and imperfection in this world, not exactly the way  the religious people would make us to believe but scientifically, we have our WAY of finding out about this life, this world, this universe, about life and death..


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« Reply #12 on: 26/01/2010 14:26:39 »
And what evidence leads you to that conclusion?
 

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« Reply #13 on: 26/01/2010 14:42:58 »
lol

Yes we do have our WAY of finding out about those things, it's the scientific method. And it produces no evidence for the hypothesis that we are alive because we are possessed by a spirit.
 

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« Reply #14 on: 27/01/2010 04:04:57 »
Our scientific approach is universal.. and our findings and conclusions are universally accepted (unlike religions with different concepts and quarreling). All the resources and laboratory, scientific instruments, as well as  astronomical equipments, in our means proves there is unending vibration in this universe, that there is life, changes in life, that we are not just matter, there is implanted to matter that something that makes this vibration, this life. It is alive in us…it is Spirit.What better evidence than us?

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« Reply #15 on: 27/01/2010 07:04:14 »
So, no real evidence then?
 

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« Reply #16 on: 27/01/2010 07:55:57 »
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in our means proves there is unending vibration in this universe, that there is life, changes in life, that we are not just matter, there is implanted to matter that something that makes this vibration, this life. It is alive in us…it is Spirit.

Well this is news to me, can you reference the experiment that shows this?

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What better evidence than us?

What?? So because we are alive we are somehow evidence of spirits?
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« Reply #17 on: 27/01/2010 12:51:03 »
Yes, has it not occurred that scientifically, matter is matter, yet it forms, following  unerring principle, that makes babies of human as human, animals as animals, there must be infusion of spirit that give life to matter, for matter is matter.. What  gives us our mind that searches even the farthest recesses of the universe,  the smallest fundamental particles, in short, our mind extend beyond the matter, the flesh that is us. That mind goes beyond the limit of matter shows there is infusion of  much finer vibration, the vibration of the spirit that is OUTSIDE MATTER. .

Science needs to mature, too, to realize that not everything can be under scrutiny of scientific instruments, re- microscope, astronomical telescope, or other instruments.. That because it  cannot be placed under these instruments for investigation, it does not exist. This is an erroneous concept. The best scientific instrument of human beings is using our five senses and open mind…then we will know there is that, that dwells in us, life and spirit.


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« Reply #18 on: 27/01/2010 13:34:02 »
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there must be infusion of spirit that give life to matter

Why? Would a rock come to life if it was 'infused with spirit'? It's spirit that gives matter life right?

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What  gives us our mind that searches even the farthest recesses of the universe

The evolution of our brain.

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Science needs to mature, too, to realize that not everything can be under scrutiny of scientific instruments

Do you even understand what science is? Science deals exclusively with the physical universe. If you want believe that there's things outside of the physical universe like spirits and magic and fairies then fine but don't try to call it science or expect science to bend to your irrational beliefs just to suit you. Or 'mature' as you call it.

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That because it  cannot be placed under these instruments for investigation, it does not exist. This is an erroneous concept.

Science cannot disprove something that is untestable, and doesn't bother to.

For example, science cannot disprove the hypothesis that 14 fluro-green half-octopus half-meerkat creatures created the universe and now live on earth in a giant undetectable teapot.

Nor can it disprove the hypothesis that there are vibrating spirits dwelling in us like you say.

But both hypothesis are equally plausable/ridiculous. There is no evidence or reason to support either hypothesis so why even dream it up?
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« Reply #19 on: 28/01/2010 01:33:08 »

Science has to accept, through scientific approach, the five senses and mind because it is the real banana, not hypothesis, that proves there is life and spirit. This scientific approach is the missing link between science and religion.

Just try exhausting  scientific analytical mind until a point is arrived it is true there is life and Spirit dwelling inside..


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« Reply #20 on: 28/01/2010 04:12:46 »
Back to square one. Why is it true?
 

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« Reply #21 on: 28/01/2010 10:06:07 »


You mean you are not aware there is life and spirit in you? And who is this that question me? You are not just made of matter,not just protons, quarks, etc.  scientifically analyzed. For instance, this brain has some 100 billion cells. Religion cannot know that. But scientists know.The age of earth is some 5 billion years. Religion contradict, cannot know that, but we do with CERTAINTY. There are many, many certainty that we know, and would laugh at what religion cannot know. Thus, we are in better position to know than the religionists, to be more aware of our being, our life, and that that gives life.


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« Reply #22 on: 28/01/2010 18:20:11 »
Life exists and that's a scientifically valid conclusion.
There is no evidence for "spirit".
 

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« Reply #23 on: 28/01/2010 20:48:07 »
I am aware that I am alive, but I have no reason to believe in spirits.

Yes, I am just made of matter. Is there some evidence or observation that suggests otherwise?
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« Reply #24 on: 29/01/2010 08:40:33 »
This is one sad aspect of science…it cannot accept Spirit exists because it cannot be placed and seen in  laboratory instruments…yes, we are composed of matter. Can matter gives life in us?. Try to analyze with our scientific mind, as matter is exhaustibly dissected,  if it is possible for matter, alone, to be the source of life.?   Just because there is no direct evidence, we refuse to believe? Yet, we continue to look, spending billions,  building accelerators, for higgs particle, string, etc. .And we accept this to be scientific search. And yet, the most important of all, we refuse to accept? And yet there is evidence, US, the living. Whatever is that that gives life to gross matter is not matter.

Tell me, what is that visible vibration inside your closed eyes but open inside. Is it continually moving, never stopping, what is that? This should be one NEW  scientific laboratory of life, of spirit that should be acceptably explored, not close scientific door

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