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« on: 21/10/2005 18:19:18 »
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Re: One Good Reason why you should quit smoking
« Reply #1 on: 21/10/2005 20:00:27 »
I don't know what all the fuss is about, giving up smoking is easy - I've done it fifteen times and that's just today!:D
 

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« Reply #2 on: 28/10/2005 00:18:08 »
God, but I'm fed up with all the "one-post-wonders" who join the forum just to post a link to some naff money-making scheme.

Anyway, the best smoking cure I've ever heard of is one from the Top Tips section in Viz comic:
"Give up smoking by sticking one cigarette from each new pack up a friend's ar*e, filter first, then replacing it in the box. The possibility of putting that one in your mouth will put you off smoking any of them."


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« Reply #3 on: 08/11/2005 11:09:12 »
"Smoking for Hours Helps you Push Up The Flowers"

"Its not just the cigarettes butt thats on the line here!" :)ash

"Don't get sucked into a cigarette"

First Quote Bob Nicholes, a brilliant Blackcountry Artist.

Last two quotes I just made up while rolling a ciggy  



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« Reply #4 on: 09/11/2005 00:09:16 »
the greatest no-smoking incentive of my life was to witness my aunt battle through cancer, a battle which she has just lost.

I can't remember anyone saying their first cigarette was the most enjoyable thing they've ever done in their lives, so whats the point. to work at becoming addicted to something that you know will kill you, incidentally in probably the most painful and drawn out way imaginable, seems so unbelieveably dumb i can't believe smokers have managed to get this far through natural selection.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 11/11/2005 04:45:40 »
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Originally posted by fishytails

the greatest no-smoking incentive of my life was to witness my aunt battle through cancer, a battle which she has just lost.

I can't remember anyone saying their first cigarette was the most enjoyable thing they've ever done in their lives, so whats the point. to work at becoming addicted to something that you know will kill you, incidentally in probably the most painful and drawn out way imaginable, seems so unbelieveably dumb i can't believe smokers have managed to get this far through natural selection.



Firstly, my position is that I am not a smoker, have never been tempted to smoke, and none of my immediate family have been regular smokers (most have not smoked at all).

But as for how nasty dying from lung cancer may be – what are the nice ways of dying, and how (short of arranging your own death) do you guarantee that your death will be relatively pleasant (and, no I am not trying to belittle the tragedy of your aunt's death, but simply to say that most other causes of death will most likely have been equally as unpleasant).

Secondly, the reason most people start smoking is not for the pleasure of it, but for social acceptance.  The reason I have never smoked is because I was always too much of a self centred maverick ever to worry about peer pressure and social acceptance.

I really cannot see any way that I can justify demanding other people stop smoking – their life, and their death, is their won, not mine.  What I do feel justified in asking is that they don't afflict me with their smoke, not because my life will be so much longer if I don't breathe their smoke, but at least my particular risks are the one's I choose, and not the one's they inflict upon me.

I don't think the natural selection argument works at all.  Most smoking related diseases will kill you long after your prime reproductive years are finished, and so will not affect your reproductive success.  On the other hand, since smoking is a social phenomenon, it is likely that smokers will have more reproductive success that social mavericks like myself.
 

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Re: One Good Reason why you should quit smoking
« Reply #6 on: 11/11/2005 07:07:33 »
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Originally posted by fishytails

 whats the point. to work at becoming addicted to something that you know will kill you, incidentally in probably the most painful and drawn out way imaginable, seems so unbelieveably dumb.


I must admit it does sound a bit odd when you put it like that.  I think the explanation is that most people start smoking when they are young, subject to peer pressure and not really believing in consequences.  And once you have started they are highly addictive and quite pleasant.
 

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« Reply #7 on: 04/05/2007 21:35:36 »
The Best Way To Stop Smoking

I know of different people experiencing success and failure using all kinds of products and services. Some can give up smoking 60 or more a day without any help whatsoever and some people who've been smoking 20 a day or fewer use websites like newbielink:http://www.saynotoitnow.co.uk [nonactive] to find the products and services to help them stop.

It's down to the individual - everyone's different.

I think it's best to just stop, rather than use any 'easy' method. If you want to stop, you will :-)
 

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« Reply #8 on: 04/05/2007 21:41:40 »
I post this already but you may not have seen it

you might like to read this    
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« Reply #9 on: 05/05/2007 02:22:06 »
actually my first cigarette was really quite wonderful. yes, i inhaled, and i expected to cough and gag and choke but i didn't. i felt pleasantly light headed and wanted another one. everyone who smokes knows that it does horrible things. why every single nonsmoker insists on saying how bad it is is beyond me. i have smoked for 5 years. i refuse to smoke around non smokers. especially children. i think everyone has a right to do what they choose to do. we all know it could kill us.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 05/05/2007 02:24:16 »
smokers really don't need to be told we shouldn't have ever had a chance to live just because we smoke.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 05/05/2007 02:36:48 »
perhaps i reacted a bit emotionally. it just seems unfair to say that... i'm sorry though for not thinking before i responded. i'm sure you didn't mean that the way i took it.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 05/05/2007 10:41:59 »
perhaps i reacted a bit emotionally. it just seems unfair to say that... I'm sorry though for not thinking before i responded. i'm sure you didn't mean that the way i took it.

Are you talking to me?

                          Its just that facts around smoking are shocking and sad....... i am old enough to have lost a number of friends to this drug. If it was a new product it would never be allowed on the market. I accept that you have the right to smoke and if chose to do so then you will. On the other hand if you are ready to chose to stop these facts will help you gather your resolve to do so. I won't ever apology for wanting people to stop hurting themselves because I care them and sometime to be caring you have to hard.
 

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« Reply #13 on: 05/05/2007 14:38:03 »
actually my first cigarette was really quite wonderful. yes, i inhaled, and i expected to cough and gag and choke but i didn't. i felt pleasantly light headed and wanted another one. everyone who smokes knows that it does horrible things. why every single nonsmoker insists on saying how bad it is is beyond me. i have smoked for 5 years. i refuse to smoke around non smokers. especially children. i think everyone has a right to do what they choose to do. we all know it could kill us.

As a non-smoker, I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I refuse to allow a smoker to light up in my presence, but what they do in private is none of my business.  The argument that smoking kills you is only realistic if the alternative was immortality (and I do more than enough things that are capable of killing me some time or another).

Smokers deserve to know the truth about their habit, but if the know it, and accept it, and so long as they ensure it harms nobody but themselves, then it is an informed judgement they, as an autonomous human being, have a right to make for themselves.  I will support, and be pleased for them, if they choose to give up smoking (party simply from a selfish perspective - if I enjoy the company of a smoker, and I cannot be in their presence when they are smoking, then I am deprived of the enjoyment of their company during that time); but I will not condemn them for smoking in their own private space.
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« Reply #14 on: 05/05/2007 15:09:21 »
Has anyone thought about the land used to grow tobacco that could be used for food instead?
 

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« Reply #15 on: 05/05/2007 15:17:29 »
actually my first cigarette was really quite wonderful. yes, i inhaled, and i expected to cough and gag and choke but i didn't. i felt pleasantly light headed and wanted another one. everyone who smokes knows that it does horrible things. why every single nonsmoker insists on saying how bad it is is beyond me. i have smoked for 5 years. i refuse to smoke around non smokers. especially children. i think everyone has a right to do what they choose to do. we all know it could kill us.

As a non-smoker, I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I refuse to allow a smoker to light up in my presence, but what they do in private is none of my business.  The argument that smoking kills you is only realistic if the alternative was immortality (and I do more than enough things that are capable of killing me some time or another).

Smokers deserve to know the truth about their habit, but if the know it, and accept it, and so long as they ensure it harms nobody but themselves, then it is an informed judgement they, as an autonomous human being, have a right to make for themselves.  I will support, and be pleased for them, if they choose to give up smoking (party simply from a selfish perspective - if I enjoy the company of a smoker, and I cannot be in their presence when they are smoking, then I am deprived of the enjoyment of their company during that time); but I will not condemn them for smoking in their own private space.

i agree with you George on this.

one extra point: in my country and i know in yours we have a state funded health system the you and i are paying for it in our taxs. Should we pay to to provide health care for thouse who smoke when the money could be spent on other parts of the health system. (i am referring to smoking related illnesses)?



 

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« Reply #16 on: 05/05/2007 15:34:00 »

i agree with you George on this.

one extra point: in my country and i know in yours we have a state funded health system the you and i are paying for it in our taxs. Should we pay to to provide health care for thouse who smoke when the money could be spent on other parts of the health system. (i am referring to smoking related illnesses)?

We also have a State funded pensions system (albeit, the pension payments are scarcely adequate on a personal level, but they nonetheless cost a significant amount in terms of State spending).  I would have thought that the savings in pensions payments would have more than offset any increase in health service costs.

In any case, I have yet to be convinced that smokers do add anything at all to the health service budget.  The fact is that we will all become ill (excepting those of us who succumb to sudden death - which is irrespective of whether we smoke or not), and shall all die.  Smokers may become ill and die sooner than non-smokers, but the inevitability of it happening is exactly the same for both groups, it is merely the timing of it that is different.

And, don't forget the massive amount of contributions that smokers contribute to taxation revenue through the enormous taxes placed on tobacco products.

Overall, I would say that in all probability the State gains far more from smokers than it loses.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 05/05/2007 17:31:37 »

i agree with you George on this.

one extra point: in my country and i know in yours we have a state funded health system the you and i are paying for it in our taxs. Should we pay to to provide health care for thouse who smoke when the money could be spent on other parts of the health system. (i am referring to smoking related illnesses)?

We also have a State funded pensions system (albeit, the pension payments are scarcely adequate on a personal level, but they nonetheless cost a significant amount in terms of State spending).  I would have thought that the savings in pensions payments would have more than offset any increase in health service costs.

In any case, I have yet to be convinced that smokers do add anything at all to the health service budget.  The fact is that we will all become ill (excepting those of us who succumb to sudden death - which is irrespective of whether we smoke or not), and shall all die.  Smokers may become ill and die sooner than non-smokers, but the inevitability of it happening is exactly the same for both groups, it is merely the timing of it that is different.

And, don't forget the massive amount of contributions that smokers contribute to taxation revenue through the enormous taxes placed on tobacco products.

Overall, I would say that in all probability the State gains far more from smokers than it loses.


Then would you say the state has vested interest in keeping smokers smoking despite the harm?

 

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« Reply #18 on: 07/05/2007 17:54:04 »
Then would you say the state has vested interest in keeping smokers smoking despite the harm?
 

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« Reply #19 on: 07/05/2007 19:38:20 »
Then would you say the state has vested interest in keeping smokers smoking despite the harm?

In strictly financial terms, yes.  The political interest might be otherwise.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 07/05/2007 19:39:37 »
Then would you say the state has vested interest in keeping smokers smoking despite the harm?

In strictly financial terms, yes.  The political interest might be otherwise.


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« Reply #21 on: 07/05/2007 20:24:22 »
Then would you say the state has vested interest in keeping smokers smoking despite the harm?

In strictly financial terms, yes.  The political interest might be otherwise.

i feed myself agreeing with George far too often these days  ;) , and this is no exception. For all the Government adverts and warnings, i doubt that they actually want all smokers to stop. i remember the other week buying two packs of ten, one carried the warning "smoking may affect your health" the other "smoking kills". tongue in cheek i asked the assistant to take away the one that said "smoking kills" and give me another pack of "may affect your health.

i heard o the radio the other day that they may force the cigarette companies to stop selling packs of ten! This is so ludicrous, i now only buy packs of ten. this has helped me cut down my smoking, the reason for yesterdays relapse was because the shop only had packs of twenty left. now i knew that i should separate them and put ten away but the fact that i had twenty on me, well............i just had to smoke them.

i know that sounds strange, and you may say i did not have to. but, my brain and all logic went out the window. i had twenty and by Christ i was going to smoke then, the temptation was just too much.

i would say, stopping selling packs of twenty, or more was the better option.
 

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« Reply #22 on: 07/05/2007 22:09:57 »
they sell packs of ten there? what a fantastic idea. why don't they do that here?
 

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« Reply #23 on: 08/05/2007 13:20:02 »
I heard that cigs contain trace, very trace, amounts of chemicals were present in the atom bomb.
 

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« Reply #24 on: 08/05/2007 18:46:39 »
I heard that cigs contain trace, very trace, amounts of chemicals were present in the atom bomb.

So does sea water.  Not sure what significance you place upon that?
 

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