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« Reply #25 on: 08/05/2007 19:02:23 »
Then would you say the state has vested interest in keeping smokers smoking despite the harm?

In strictly financial terms, yes.  The political interest might be otherwise.

i feed myself agreeing with George far too often these days  ;) , and this is no exception. For all the Government adverts and warnings, i doubt that they actually want all smokers to stop. i remember the other week buying two packs of ten, one carried the warning "smoking may affect your health" the other "smoking kills". tongue in cheek i asked the assistant to take away the one that said "smoking kills" and give me another pack of "may affect your health.

i heard o the radio the other day that they may force the cigarette companies to stop selling packs of ten! This is so ludicrous, i now only buy packs of ten. this has helped me cut down my smoking, the reason for yesterdays relapse was because the shop only had packs of twenty left. now i knew that i should separate them and put ten away but the fact that i had twenty on me, well............i just had to smoke them.

i know that sounds strange, and you may say i did not have to. but, my brain and all logic went out the window. i had twenty and by Christ i was going to smoke then, the temptation was just too much.

i would say, stopping selling packs of twenty, or more was the better option.

If you are prepared to accept the government is happy to kill off a percentage of its citizens for money then why would you trust them on anything? 
 

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« Reply #26 on: 08/05/2007 19:54:56 »
If you are prepared to accept the government is happy to kill off a percentage of its citizens for money then why would you trust them on anything? 

And who says we do trust them on anything?
 

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« Reply #27 on: 08/05/2007 19:57:58 »
If you are prepared to accept the government is happy to kill off a percentage of its citizens for money then why would you trust them on anything? 

And who says we do trust them on anything?

i did say why would you, did i not, not that you did.
 

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« Reply #28 on: 08/05/2007 21:43:40 »
well the point is :::::::: stop smoking ;)
 

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« Reply #29 on: 08/05/2007 23:48:15 »
I think "kill off a percentage of its citizens" is actually only one way of phrasing that, and possibly rather a naive one.
I mean, I think it's arguable that allowing smokers to continue smoking at the expense of their health/longevity but at considerable gain to the tax payer is (depending how you look at it) in some was pretty closely analogous to not spending a huge percentage of the NHS budget on some hugely expensive wonder drug that will cure some nasty disease or other.
Either way, the people involved are likely to die rather earlier but there will be a lot more money swishing around the health service to save the lives of other members of the public (say by paying for childhood vaccinations or similar).
In some ways it's fairer to let the people who want to choose to exchange a short term buzz in whatever the weather throws at them for a (statistically) shortened life do so if it's going to line the public purse and they don't inflict the vile smell on the rest of us, than to refuse treatment of an expensively cureable disease on budgetary grounds.
I offer no comment on the moral ins and outs of the above.
 

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« Reply #30 on: 09/05/2007 01:40:59 »
I think "kill off a percentage of its citizens" is actually only one way of phrasing that, and possibly rather a naive one.
I mean, I think it's arguable that allowing smokers to continue smoking at the expense of their health/longevity but at considerable gain to the tax payer is (depending how you look at it) in some was pretty closely analogous to not spending a huge percentage of the NHS budget on some hugely expensive wonder drug that will cure some nasty disease or other.
Either way, the people involved are likely to die rather earlier but there will be a lot more money swishing around the health service to save the lives of other members of the public (say by paying for childhood vaccinations or similar).
In some ways it's fairer to let the people who want to choose to exchange a short term buzz in whatever the weather throws at them for a (statistically) shortened life do so if it's going to line the public purse and they don't inflict the vile smell on the rest of us, than to refuse treatment of an expensively cureable disease on budgetary grounds.
I offer no comment on the moral ins and outs of the above.

Actually, I do not disagree with any of the above; the only dubious bit about it is the holier than thou preaching from the politicians.

If the politicians just came out and said that they have no problems with people who undertake risk taking behaviours (it is after all their own life) so long as they can balance the books, and it does not impinge on the rights of third parties, then I would be happy.
 

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« Reply #31 on: 09/05/2007 13:22:17 »
I heard that cigs contain trace, very trace, amounts of chemicals were present in the atom bomb.

So does sea water.  Not sure what significance you place upon that?


Hm, didn't know that.

Oh well, it's good to learn something new everyday.
 

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« Reply #32 on: 25/05/2007 06:15:34 »
Bored Chemist as far as the comment about the land used for tobacco farming which could be used for food instead...I don't think people are starving to death as a result of a lack of available food...but a lack of available funds to purchase the food, which has nothing to do with acreage of farming land.  I know at least in the United States the grocery store shelves always seem reasonably well stocked (depending on where you shop) with food (and cigarettes)...yet people still die of starvation.  Regardless of what scientific studies suggest about the ill effects of smoking...I know many smokers who have lived long lives, yet not one person who has been a non-eater and lived very long at all.  Perhaps therein lies the real tragedy.   
 

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« Reply #33 on: 14/06/2007 22:15:52 »
I have been quiting for 3 weeks by reading and following the instructions from this quit smoking ebook such as understand addiction,creating supporter and success strategies. newbielink:http://www.stop-and-quit-smoking.com [nonactive]
 

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« Reply #34 on: 14/06/2007 22:23:58 »
I have three people I have known for along time who all quit the same time two months ago and are doing well! all three!
 

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« Reply #35 on: 15/06/2007 08:13:18 »
I quit smoking in August 2005, and haven't felt the need for one since. I was never a heavy smoker - I only smoked in the evening up to perhaps 10 if I was out at a bar, but usually 3 or 4. There were several reasons for my giving up..A girl I knew contracted cancer in her throat due to smoking. A friend of mine's brother contracted lung cancer due to smoking. My brother in laws best friend contracted lung cancer due to smoking. One, thankfully, recovered (37), one is now dead (50) one is terminal (47). I have 2 young boys - I still want to be able to run around with them when they are wanting to play football, and not be some wheezy old Dad. I want to be here when they ARE wanting to play football.
I gave myself a scare in that August - I woke up after a friends birthday, with a desperately sore throat that wouldn't go for a few days. It was at the same time that one of the above died. I was worried that perhaps I may have something wrong - the girl always complained of sore throats - and that after this, I would never smoke again. I promised myself, that if I ever felt the urge to have a cigarette / cigar, that I would just remember how I felt when I thought something might be wrong, and what I could potentially lose.
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« Reply #36 on: 15/06/2007 08:33:47 »
HERE HERE...I have lost my Mother and My Grandma and numerous relatives to cancer.. It is a disease that does not pick and choose. I do not smoke or drink or do drugs for the same reason you stated and my father was a drunk driver who killed himself and injured I don't know how badly several other people in his drinking driving death.

My sister had different cancer is doing well but several are dead from it. I was raised in a house exposed to second hand smoke by both parents for years my mom a chain smoker.. quit when she got lung cancer and I took care of her for thirteen months .. Other peoples health should be a good enough reason to quit also.. you having that scare is like me last year with my weight and heart problems..that was before it got complicated again.. I am not sure why we have to have crap scared out of us to do something that will save us so much pain discomfort and emotional stress for ourselves and our families... Good for you! good for you and for your family!!!
 

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« Reply #37 on: 15/06/2007 08:43:15 »
Thanks!  [^]

 

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« Reply #38 on: 15/06/2007 08:47:04 »
Your welcome you have done a stupendous job! It is not easy to quit! some can, just walk away and some can't.. well done!  I am sorry about your losses and your sick loved ones I only hope that others around you see the same thing and make changes too!
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« Reply #39 on: 15/06/2007 08:53:04 »
karen you, uh...may want to correct that typo. lol. that doesn't sound right...
 

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« Reply #40 on: 15/06/2007 09:29:19 »
All Better! LO sorry Denty!
 

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« Reply #41 on: 15/06/2007 09:42:52 »
All Better! LO sorry Denty!

It's ok! I didn't see it before you edited!

There is still one thing that REALLY annoys me about smokers. They (and I'm aware I'm making a generalisation here, but it's very close to the truth) seem to think that their cigarette butts are somehow excluded from the classification of "rubbish" and just throw them onto the ground without a moments thought. Therefore, we all have to wade through thousands of the damn things whenever there is an agglomeration of humanity - at stations for example. I find this supercilious behaviour particularly abhorrent.

Discuss.....
 

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« Reply #42 on: 15/06/2007 14:20:10 »
well, here in ohio since the general population accidentally passed a smoking ban, the cigarette butt problem has been reduced a great deal. now anyone smoking has to be outside at least thirty feet from an entrance to a building. since this is terribly confusing to a state of people who couldn't properly read the issues on the ballot, designated smoking areas have to be marked and all of them contain very large outdoor ashtrays
 

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« Reply #43 on: 15/06/2007 14:22:34 »
How did they "accidentally" pass a ban?
 

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« Reply #44 on: 15/06/2007 14:27:27 »
there were two smoking issues on the ballot. one was for the smoking ban, the other was not to have a smoking ban. the way they were worded, some people who read too quickly voted for the wrong one. then when everyone said hey wait, that's not what we wanted, the people that decide these things said well too bad, now nobody can smoke, although we're raising the smoking taxes and you have to pay for all of the nice new buildings and stadiums, where you are also not allowed to smoke.
 

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« Reply #45 on: 15/06/2007 17:36:44 »
 I hate how they think it is ok to just toss their butts, me mom actually got a hot cigarette butt in her eye.. we were driving along on the freeway , windows down, a car began passing us to the left in the fast lane when this womens window came down and she flipper cigarette out and it came whizzing into the window connecting with my moms eyes, my mom apparently caught sight of it as it made contact and had been able to get her eye closed upon impact it burned the crud out of her eye lid as the wind had really heated the end of the cigarette! I was so mad we almost wrecked...
 

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« Reply #46 on: 07/10/2008 12:21:30 »
Bored Chemist as far as the comment about the land used for tobacco farming which could be used for food instead...I don't think people are starving to death as a result of a lack of available food...but a lack of available funds to purchase the food, which has nothing to do with acreage of farming land.  I know at least in the United States the grocery store shelves always seem reasonably well stocked (depending on where you shop) with food (and cigarettes)...yet people still die of starvation.  Regardless of what scientific studies suggest about the ill effects of smoking...I know many smokers who have lived long lives, yet not one person who has been a non-eater and lived very long at all.  Perhaps therein lies the real tragedy.  
Actually, there are many instances where people are very short of food even though there are a lot of export crops planted locally. These crops are much more subject to failure than the traditional ones which have been displaced. The problem can be that people who used to have a working food based (subsistence) economy are forced into a cash based economy
The Irish Potato Famine was a great example of a local population suffering because of this. At the time millions of people were dying because they could not afford the food which was being exported from Ireland.

There is great inequality everywhere in the world and that accounts for a lot of suffering. Tobacco achieves nothing of worth for anyone (except company profits). It takes up growing space, fertiliser and fuel. There is no justification for any land to be wasted on its cultivation. (Can anyone doubt the evidence against smoking?)

Comparing Smoking with Starvation is a pointless exercise.
 

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« Reply #47 on: 07/10/2008 16:30:18 »
Now, would you believe, ASH wants the government to ban smoking in private cars!!!

They claim the cost to the health service from tobacco related disease was 2.7 billion this year. A terrible cost indeed, but they fail to realise that the duty and VAT on tobacco products brought into the treasury 10 billion in 2006/7.

There is an estimated 18 billion cost to the NHS & Police for alcohol related problems, from a revenue of 13 billion collected in duty and VAT. So why not ban alcohol?

When did you last hear of a bunch of rowdy smokers creating a disturbance in the early hours? Or starting a punch-up, or attacking innocent people going about their daily lives?
 

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« Reply #48 on: 07/10/2008 18:32:10 »
There is still one thing that REALLY annoys me about smokers. They (and I'm aware I'm making a generalisation here, but it's very close to the truth) seem to think that their cigarette butts are somehow excluded from the classification of "rubbish" and just throw them onto the ground without a moments thought. Therefore, we all have to wade through thousands of the damn things whenever there is an agglomeration of humanity - at stations for example. I find this supercilious behaviour particularly abhorrent.

Discuss.....

The laws are already in place to combat smokers rubbish and some have received heavy fines for dropping cigarette butts. I think it depends on the how the local council enforce the law. Here in Sheffield they are very strict and a woman from Derbyshire was recently fined 290. The fine would have been much less but she failed to pay the fixed penalty fine of 50 or attend court.

The cigarette butts don't annoy me that much, its the chewing gum everywhere that needs targeting.

The evil thing about Tobacco manufacturers and growers is because of the new smoking laws they are targeting poorer countries which have little controls on smoking. Bush wants to protect the tobacco growers as well as it still provides work and plenty of income for them.
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« Reply #49 on: 07/10/2008 20:11:47 »
Now, would you believe, ASH wants the government to ban smoking in private cars!!!



Well, here's their current policy web page and it doesn't mention private cars so, erm, no I wouldn't believe it.
They do say that the govermnent needs to consider whether or not legistaltion covering smoking in cars would be effective at reducing the exposure of children (who are most at risk) to second hand smoke.
http://www.smokefreeaction.org.uk/news/strategy_priorities.html
That's a whole different ball game from a blanket ban.

http://www.ash.org.uk/ash_uw78hlcv.htm
 

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