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Why the Michelson-Morley experiment failed to dtect ether?
« Reply #50 on: 02/03/2010 02:03:35 »


How come you cannot grasp the similarity? Eliminating the luminousity feature of aether of the old, we have the same banana in the revived aether of Dr. Einstein. All the added features of Dr. Einstein would fit in into the same aether, old and new.


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« Reply #51 on: 02/03/2010 07:08:20 »
A cow and a horse have some similarity- they both have 4 legs, eat grass, have hair etc.
but that doesn't make them the same.
Calling a horse a cow is just plain wrong. Calling spacetime Aether is just as wrong.
 

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Why the Michelson-Morley experiment failed to dtect ether?
« Reply #52 on: 02/03/2010 20:10:59 »


How come you cannot grasp the similarity? Eliminating the luminousity feature of aether of the old, we have the same banana in the revived aether of Dr. Einstein. All the added features of Dr. Einstein would fit in into the same aether, old and new.

See a significant event for physics in November 1915 that had led to the current definition for spacetime in mathematical relativism, this is the famously known "Einstein–Hilbert action" that was established in proof theory.

The current dominating thought in definitions for spacetime in modern physics is entirely different from the classical aether, and eliminating the luminosity feature of aether is a strange proposition that is kind of attacking the straw-man in classical physics that is not relevant to modern physics definitions for spacetime at all.

Einstein had an æ-theory, this is the Einstein aether theory that describes a spacetime endowed with both a metric and a unit timelike vector field named the æther. In particular this theory has a preferred reference frame and so is not Lorentz covariant that had achieved scientific consensus.

Make a distinction between the original spacetime defined by Einstein that is aether-liked (I can see you are going in this direction but somehow you did not focus on this), from  the mathematical relativism defined spacetime that is widely accepted in modern physics, then people will not think that you are confused and have misconceptions with the classical aether and the modern physics spacetime. You could then narrow down your arguments that is propositioned for the Einstein's spacetime  that is against the spacetime of mathematical relativism, but how you carry out your arguments and are your arguments valid or not would be another issue.   

However, imho, your sticky argument on eliminating the luminousity feature of old aether to posit  this as the new aether and this is the same entity as the modern physics spacetime would get you nowhere.
 

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« Reply #53 on: 03/03/2010 05:35:53 »
…if that your concept that aether of the old is different from the aether, as revived by Dr. Einstein, or is different from his spacetime.. I would rather now not make comment to change it. It is not good.   Regards.


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« Reply #54 on: 03/03/2010 18:59:01 »
"Eliminating the luminousity feature of aether of the old"
LOL.
The full name of the old fashioned ether was "the luminiferous ether"
i.e. the ether that carries light. If you eliminate the luminosity feature there's nothing left.
 

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« Reply #55 on: 18/03/2010 02:55:28 »
The full name of the old fashioned ether was "the luminiferous ether"
i.e. the ether that carries light. If you eliminate the luminosity feature there's nothing left.Beg to disagree, bored chemist. Eliminating luminosity feature, we have new aether of Dr. Einstein, spacetime.

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« Reply #56 on: 18/03/2010 06:59:56 »
Are you calling this different thing by the same name because you want to confuse others, or because you are confused yourself?
Neither is helpful or good science.
 

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« Reply #57 on: 18/03/2010 09:50:36 »
Fundamental concept of aether of the old is that it  occupies completely all of outer space, the same fundamental concept of spacetime of Dr. Einstein that completely occupies all of outer space.. Both same fundamental concepts cannot exist different from one another, ..because it is universally known, unquestionably, that there is only one and same substance that occupies completely all of outer space. But progress in science, evolment in science has detected erroneous concept of the old,..such as luminiferous aether which is not luminiferous.


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« Reply #58 on: 18/03/2010 19:03:11 »
No, the fundamental concept of the ether was that it was the thing that carried light.
That was the sole purpose of positing it.
If you take away the light carrying aspect of it then there's absolutely nothing left.

Also, the ether may have been thought to occupy space but space-time is the space the ether was meant to occupy.
It's like saying I am the same as my house.

"unquestionably"
Bollocks. I'm questioning it.

"But progress in science, evolment in science has detected erroneous concept of the old,..such as luminiferous aether which is not luminiferous. "
That's why science dropped the ether just like it dropped phlogiston.
Why are you so hell bent on trying to confuse it with the concept of space-time?

 

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« Reply #59 on: 19/03/2010 04:32:50 »


Time will tell. Regards.


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Why the Michelson-Morley experiment failed to dtect ether?
« Reply #60 on: 19/03/2010 06:00:05 »
It seems like it already has
 

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Regards.


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« Reply #62 on: 20/03/2010 16:46:59 »
Okay - this thread seems concluded, with jsaldea being proved wrong but refusing to listen.

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