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Red shifts of ALL galaxies could be one evidence of presence of spacetime?

The accentuated spacetime of Dr. Einstein, which is also  ether (please refer to posted article:”Why Michelson-Morley experiment failed to detect ether”) unquestionably exists.. Here is another proof that spacetime exists: ALL galaxies red shift could be due to the thickened skein of spacetime, considering such million billions light years distances from such galaxies to earth,  that such skein thickens (like London fog) and is bound to rear its head, and it does, it interferes with light waves and causes light to slows down and ultimately to stop, like ripple of water.. This slowing of light waves widens, lengthens  light waves, to become principally red shifting, of ALL galaxies,… not exactly  that the universe is accelerating faster outward, because  the most distant supernova red shifts more.. not that it is fundamental particles, re-dark energy and dark matter, which is both sparse in TRANSPARENT UNIVERSE,...that cause the acceleration of the expansion of the universe.

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« Reply #1 on: 16/02/2010 08:54:05 »
Not all galaxies are redshifted. Some are blue shifted (Andromeda for example). Some, that are in clusters for example, show variable redshifts because their local velocities subtract from the Hubble expansion velocity.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 16/02/2010 09:52:53 »
The  orbit of Andromeda within its cluster  is  larger than its cosmological redshift,because Andromeda is nearer to Milky Way, so it gets blue shifts! But from very distant galaxies, the whole cluster moves as one farther, the cluster red-shift. But the more substantial red shifting is caused by the presence of spacetime, like body of water on which ripple is created and ultimately will stop.

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« Reply #3 on: 16/02/2010 10:48:10 »
Yes, I know the reason. I mis-read your post and thought you said ALL galaxies are redshifted. I should read more carefully. I disagree with your ether hypothesis though. I thought this had been put out to grass years ago.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 16/02/2010 14:17:42 »


Dr. Einstein in speech in 1920: "Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only wonld be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable inedia, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it."


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« Reply #5 on: 16/02/2010 16:31:26 »
It's ether, Captain, but not as we know it. Perhaps Einstein was trying to get people used to the idea of a metric in Space-time. Saying there is an ether but defining it as imponderable, or having any detectable motion through time or space, is like defining God.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 16/02/2010 23:18:29 »
 It was Lemaitre who pointed to Dr. Einstein, sometime in 1927, that the universe  was due to Big Bang, Dr. Einstein responded, Your math is excellent but your knowledge of physics is abominable.” But when  both Hubble and Lemaitre joined force and claimed the galaxies are moving farther, expanding the universe, Dr. Einstein exclaimed something like this, referring to his static “cosmological constant”, “This is my greatest mistake” . But finally, sometime in 1938, when Dr. Einstein and Lemaitre were together as speakers on one occasion, Lemaitre reiterated his claimed Big Bang,, Dr. Einstein said openly,  ”This is the most beautiful concept of creation of the universe”. Later, Lemaitre adopted Dr. Einstein “cosmological constant” to explain the expansion  of the universe.

Dr. Einstein and other scientists, at his time,  relegated  ether, that it did   not exist due to Milchelson-Morley experiment.. But Dr. Einstein, in 1920, changed mind, revived ether in new concept as unthinkable to think of space without ether (please permit to refer to posted “Why Milchelson-morley experiment failed to detect ether”.

..In his later life, in a press conference in which the press asked Dr. Einstein about his GR. Dr. Einstein remarked something like this, “I cannot anymore recognized my relativity.. so many hands had dipped their fingers into it”.

What does it all show? It means we are all human. We can all make mistakes, we can change, we can make progress,we are not rigid…etc.





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« Reply #7 on: 16/02/2010 23:25:22 »

But  ether, spacetime,vacuum energy, dark energy, dark matter, cosmological constant..are basically the same.

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« Reply #8 on: 17/02/2010 09:28:43 »

But  ether, spacetime,vacuum energy, dark energy, dark matter, cosmological constant..are basically the same.

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No they are not. At least if we are using words like "the same" to have their usual meanings. They are all part of the universe (well, except the ether) and may be all described by one theory, yet to be discovered, but they are not the same anymore than horse dung is "the same" as chocolate pudding.

To be less combative, there seems no evidence for the ether as it was originally conceived. If there is "something" that relates dark matter and dark energy (there is no specific reason to think this is the case, though, of course, there may be), why call it the ether? Space-time certainly does link these things together and the cosmological constant may well be the correct mathematical representation of dark energy (though probably nothing to do with dark matter).
 

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« Reply #9 on: 17/02/2010 13:50:38 »
Ether was a concept that there is something that entirely   
    occupies outer space.
Spacetime  is a concept that something entirely occupies all of
    outer space, that something that can even be curved, curled
    by matter.
Cosmological constant is the same concept entirely occupies,
    all of outer space.
Dark energy and dark matter, as you said, is the concept, the
    content of cosmological constant that occupies all of outer
    space and pushes itself outward.
Another one, the superstring is concept that  all of outer
    space is make up of superstring..

All of them, in different terminology and different approach (like different religions),  are  after the same one banana, that one that occupies entirely outer space.


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« Reply #10 on: 17/02/2010 14:09:25 »
You seem to be somewhat off about all of those things.

All of these things use many of the same basic mathematical frameworks, which is why measurement evidence is used to distinguish between whether or not theories that use these concepts fit the available observations.

Additionally, dark matter is not thought to pervade space entirely, but it is thought to clump into structures somewhat like ordinary matter.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 18/02/2010 12:51:59 »

Please refer to new post, re-"Unifying aether, spacetime superstring, cosmological constant, etc.

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« Reply #12 on: 18/02/2010 12:54:32 »

Pease refer to new post, re"Unifying aether, spacetime, vacuum energy, superstring, cosmological constant"


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