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When you super-heat to 1 million C to fuse hydrogen and convert to helium, did we not put in more energy than normal energy?


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... when you open the valve of tire and release air, the air molecules attract one another? How can it attract one another when the volume expand making the same air molecules farther from one another, actually repulse one another air molecules.

..An open bottle of ethyl nitrite would be boiling gently.? Do you know Why?



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Do you know what temperature is a measure of?
 

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Are you too lazy, too conceited or just too dumb to read and understand about entropy and enthalpy?

It must be something like that or you wouldn't still be writing "How can it attract one another when the volume expand making the same air molecules farther from one another, actually repulse one another air molecules.".

Re. "An open bottle of ethyl nitrite would be boiling gently.? Do you know Why?"
yes, I do its because of the favourable Gibbs free energy change that occurs on boiling. The point at which boiling becomes favourable is the point at which the entropy term (-T delta S) outweighs the enthalpy of vaporisation (delta H).
 

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Three normal states of matter on earth: solid, liquid, and gaseous. When it is on gaseous state, temperature can change the symmetry, the gaseous can become liquid and solid, but ultimately, it returns to gaseous. Why water turns to gaseous at 100C and turns to ice at 0.C s simply accepted but not deeply explained, as I see it. You call that attraction? Something about temperature, the energy disturbance that causes electro-magnetic disarray , causes such change, causes such bonding. Thus, temperature change that disturb the positive and negative arrangement of the matter, is itself, a pressure, positive and negative pressure. Thus, the bonding.


Why ethyl nitrite boils slightly? It is. simply  volatile, its boiling temperature is above 0.C

I thought you know how volume affect temperature but it seems not.

I made revision on paragraphs 2 and 3 of main topic. Reiterating, the state of outer space is like gaseous state on earth. Galaxies are individually, on motion, like air molecules, repulsing one another. The reason why they repulse one another.. IT ALSO EXPLAIN WHY AIR MOLECULES AT AMBIENT TEMPERATURE, CANNOT BE COMPRESSED, EVEN IF SUPER-PRESSURE IS EXERTED.


I am intrigued by your entrophy (-delta S) and entrophy (delta H). Are not these positive and negative? 


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I am intrigued by your entrophy (-delta S) and entrophy (delta H). "
Then LEARN ABOUT THEM.
 

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If there is an iron wall nearby and I have a magnetic ball, do you think it would be impossible for me to throw it so hard at the wall that it bounces away, despite the attraction?
 

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You still don’t see the point: the point is, even  in entropy and enthalpy, the positive and negative operates.


I still cant get what you are trying to drive at, ….about that magnet ball…What is the point? Because it is a simple question...

But we are going off the topic, why galaxies are receding or better why galaxies are not ATTRACTING AND/OR COLLIDING WITH ONE ANOTHER.. ARE THE GALAXIES RECEDING, ACCELERATING?



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Yes, it is a simple question. What is your answer? I'm trying to get you to realise why a gas isn't a liquid and a liquid isn't a solid. Temperature.
 

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If we are off topic it's because your first post included this absurd assertion "Hydrogen has proton (positive-directional) and electron (negative-directional). If there are 1 million hydrogen atoms, gaseous, in a sealed jar, all will be repulsing one another." when, in fact, they attract.

Anyway, Madidus' question still apply on a galactic scale.

Do you think I can bounce a ball off a wall?
Do you realise that the ball and the wall attract each other because of gravity.
 

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Quoted: ‘”If there are 1 million hydrogen atoms, gaseous, I a sealed jar, all will be repulsing one another” when, in fact, they attract”

Wrong: I have been illustrating that air molecules, for instance, super- pumped into air hydraulic jack in gasoline station, once valve is open, air will be released, as is, in normal gaseous state, the air molecules will be expanding, actually, AIR MOLECULES WILL BE REPULSING ONE ANOTHER.

In dirigible filled with hydrogen would not fly if the hydrogen content attract and bind one another.

As I reiterate: there are THREE states of matter on earth: solid, liquid, gaseous. The heavier elements usually become solid, the middle elements usually are liquid, and the lightest elements are gaseous state. IN THEIR AMBIENT STATE, either solid, liquid or gaseous element, temperature can change their symmetries, but these element will always return to their ambient state.

Reiterating, in outer space, the ambient state is plasma state, the galaxies are in like gaseous, floating, suspended in outer space, That is why galaxies, already cordoned with their force fields, such as all their outer shell with positive property,  repulse one another.

How easy it is to fuse, in laboratory, hydrogen to form helium on earth, How successful so far is that most ambitious project to fuse hydrogen as unlimited source of energy?

Depending on the throw and strength of magnet o the ball, either the ball will stick to the wall due to magnetism or falls down as gravity takes over.


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How do you define ambient state?

Bored Chemist is right, and perhaps the example I gave with the magnetic ball was too complicated, I should have used this much simpler one:

If I have a basketball, the basketball and the floor are both attracted to one another, just like molecules are. But if I drop the basketball it doesn't just stick to the floor, it bounces. Its kinetic energy overcame the attraction. Which is why a gas isn't a liquid and a liquid isn't a solid.

This is why I asked you if you knew what temperature was a measure of, i'll take your lack of an answer as a "no". Temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy of the molecules. Or in this case, the speed of the basketball.

What if I leave the basketball until it stops bouncing? Then we do indeed see that the basketball and the floor have bound to each other. Just like what happens when something is frozen.

Now what if there are a million basketballs in the building all bouncing around off each other at the speed of sound, and we open the door. The basketballs will fly out of the building until there's just as many basketballs flying around outside as there is inside. Or until the pressure equalizes. This is the effect that you wrongly interpret as repulsion.

It is probably best to learn at least a high school level of science understanding before trying to tell scientists they are wrong.
 

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"AIR MOLECULES WILL BE REPULSING ONE ANOTHER."
Putting it in CAPITALS doesn't make it true.
Madidus has already explained why.
Why don't you listen?
 

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Quoted,, “Now what if there are a million basketballs in the building all bouncing around off each other at the speed of sound, and we open the door. The basketballs will fly out of the building until there's just as many basketballs flying around outside as there is inside. Or until the pressure equalizes. This is the effect that you wrongly interpret as repulsion.”

You are wrong. Your illustration about the million basketballs bouncing as you open the door is wrong. You seem to forget that every free gaseous molecule has a force field, in normal atmospheric temperature.. Don’t you know that such force field of molecule expands, constrict. Inside the air hydraulic lift, an air molecule could be 1,000 times up constrict/compressed than in open atmosphere. If the size of air molecule is the size of basketball in open atmosphere, inside the hydraulic lift, the size of compressed air molecule could be the size of a mongo. Can a basketball do that? A basketball does not expand. But air molecule, once released from air hydraulic lift, expands ITSELF, AND  REPULSE ONE ANOTHER MOLECULES, RE-THEIR FORCE FIELDS REPULSE ONE ANOTHER. THEY DO NOT ATTRACT NOR BIND IN NORMAL ATMOSPHERIC TEMPERATURE. THIS IS WHAT I MEAN.  I do not need to elaborate about your concept of kinetic energy…speed of basketball? What causes the speed of basketball? Again we go back….


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Have to complete: What causes the speed of basketball? As the ball is bounced,  the real bouncing is done inside the basketball:. the molecules are bouncing. And this causes the speed of basketball. What do you think, make sense?

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You are wrong. Your illustration about the million basketballs bouncing as you open the door is wrong. You seem to forget that every free gaseous molecule has a force field, in normal atmospheric temperature.. Don’t you know that such force field of molecule expands, constrict.

No, I can't forget this because it wasn't in my head in the first place, this is an idea that seems to be unique to your head.

How do you explain Brownian motion?
Why do you think sound travels at the speed it does?

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Inside the air hydraulic lift, an air molecule could be 1,000 times up constrict/compressed than in open atmosphere. If the size of air molecule is the size of basketball in open atmosphere, inside the hydraulic lift, the size of compressed air molecule could be the size of a mongo.

No, they remain the same size, merely the space between them is reduced.

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But air molecule, once released from air hydraulic lift, expands ITSELF, AND  REPULSE ONE ANOTHER MOLECULES, RE-THEIR FORCE FIELDS REPULSE ONE ANOTHER. THEY DO NOT ATTRACT NOR BIND IN NORMAL ATMOSPHERIC TEMPERATURE.

I just explained why they do not bind at what you consider normal temperature (you didn't answer my question about how you define ambient state), they are too hot, ie. the molecules are bouncing too hard to stick. This doesn't mean there is no attraction, just that the kinetic energy overcomes the attraction.

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I do not need to elaborate about your concept of kinetic energy…speed of basketball? What causes the speed of basketball? Again we go back….

Heat. As I tried to explain, this is what temperature is a measure of, the average speed of the molecules. If you heat something up, you are giving the molecules more kinetic energy.

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Have to complete: What causes the speed of basketball? As the ball is bounced,  the real bouncing is done inside the basketball:. the molecules are bouncing. And this causes the speed of basketball. What do you think, make sense?

No. The energy comes from whatever is heating it.
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Brownian motion is random  movement. This simply fits into the air molecules random  movement in open atmosphere, as molecules randomly repel one another. in any direction...


The size of the atoms of molecules remain the same but their forced fields is not.: it is like a balloon, it can  expand and compress, as demonstrated by that air compressed in air tank.

Kinetic energy comes from motion, repulsion, activity inside the atom. The kinetic energy, heat, comes from inside of the  OTHER atoms and such heat is transferable. Thus, it appears that energy comes from whatever is heating it. Heat is transferable..

Temperature is better defined as a measurement of kinetic energy  released by molecules. It could be 1 million C or 350 Kelvin.


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Jsaldez12, it seems that you are sticking to your idea regardless of the fact that it bears no relationship to reality.  Madidus and Bored Chemist are trying to help you.  As you consistently ignore their help and continue to propagate your (now shown to be nonsense) pet hypothesis, I can only assume you are trolling and I will lock this thread.  Any more of this will result in you being banned.

This is a discussion forum - try to discuss by taking other people's ideas on board, rather than ignoring them and continuing to spout ideas that are patently incorrect.
 

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