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« on: 03/06/2010 11:45:44 »
I was talking to my parents the other day about how society has changed over the years. When I was 5 or 6 (mid 1970's) there was a playground about 2 blocks from our house. My sister (she was 3 or 4) and I were allowed to go there without our parents all the time. When my parents were little (both born in 1944) they would go to play all day long, coming home only when it got dark. Letting a preschool aged child run around on their own outside today is totally crazy.

Are pedophiles more common today than they were in the past, or are we just hearing of more cases?

A related question: Homosexual behavior has been seen in many many other mammals. What about pedophilia? I'm not trying to say homosexuals are pedophiles (they are not in any way linked), my point being that it seems both of these behaviors should be eliminated by natural selection. Mating with a member of your own gender, or mating with a sexually immature member of of your spices will never result in offspring. Organisms that expend energy mating with individuals they cannot reproduce with have a smaller chance of producing offspring. If even a small advantage is enough to drive evolution, any disadvantage will lead to extinction. So why has pedophilia not become extinct?
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« Reply #1 on: 04/06/2010 04:08:43 »
As Google records your searches I'd think twice about Googling the P-word.

[You could use Scroogle or another proxy, or a search engine which does not record your identity and searches].


Government social policies shape society, whether by design or by default.

Personally I believe certain policies have produced an increased incidence of sociopathic behaviour of all types.

But Iím getting political.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 04/06/2010 12:04:57 »
Don't think I'll have to worry about Google. Personally I think that people who harm children are about the worst of the criminal spectrum.

It's possible that some pedophiles never touch a child. I don't think a person can control who attracts them and who does not. What they can control is what they do about it. If someone is attracted to children, but never acts on that attraction then they are not a bad person. It's only bad to actually hurt children.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 04/06/2010 13:53:29 »
I suspect it has gone on for aeons - how would you know? My gran told me that when she was about 12 or 13 (this would have been about 1910) she had to go out delivering milk (carrying two large churns) before school. This was in Liverpool. She was confronted by a bloke with his tackle out who tried to grab her. She brought her knee up into the place it hurts most (she was too innocent to know it would be effective), dropped the churns and ran like heck. It was never reported.

It was not that long ago (1860) when the age of consent in the uk was 12 years and in some parts of the world today it is only 9 years (some places there is no law about it at all). We are often not talking of two children here, either in the UK in the past or elsewhere in the world today; it is quite common to have a large age difference. It is often a commercial arrangement. It is clear that there is a proportion of the population, usually men, who are attracted to children. It is right that children are protected by the law but it seems that some of the men involved do not have sufficient self control and are not adequately deterred by the law. Are these men more evil than other law breakers? I don't know, but it certainly evokes a lot of righteous anger.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 05/06/2010 01:03:28 »
A few years ago a man immigrated to my home state from the middle east with his wife, who was 10 years old. (The man was around 30). Because of the laws in this state, they were forced to recognize the marriage, however they told the man that if he had sex with his wife, it would be considered a crime. Don't know if he complied.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 05/06/2010 21:58:59 »
Life's experiences are not new to the human race. We hear and see more because communications have shrunk long distances to as close as you can see the screen or an ear to the phone. Highways, ways of travel are faster, people live closer and the unknown can be right around the corner. It is a fast, fast world we live in.

Do gooders, Duddly Do Rights and the opposite, Dishonest John's  have been here since, well, eons is a good adaquite duration!
Worry more about ID thief, worry more about consistant multiple searching any ideas on how to perform mass distruction acts. If you don't know what the devil's sauce looks like, how can you prevent it from splasing the whole lot?

A few innocent searches does not constitute the need to be paranoid.

 Knowledge is a need to combat these things. How can we learn without specific
searches on specific subjects. Search Megan's law or offenders of.
Isn't the same as looking up the P word.

I was searching a chemical combination to get rid of warts, I stumbled over a website, in detail, how to make an explosive.
It was an innocent search that gave me information I was not interested in, this is just an example.
Paranoia, she's a killer!

 
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« Reply #7 on: 06/06/2010 04:02:35 »

I was searching a chemical combination to get rid of warts, I stumbled over a website, in detail, how to make an explosive.


Using explosives to get rid of warts can lead to very bad personal injury, property damage and injury to others.  Please if you have a wort, your best bet is to see the doctor. They have the best methods of getting rid of them.

I suffered terribly from warts when I was a teenager, never came to me to use explosives on them...
 

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« Reply #8 on: 06/06/2010 04:24:16 »

I was searching a chemical combination to get rid of warts, I stumbled over a website, in detail, how to make an explosive.


Using explosives to get rid of warts can lead to very bad personal injury, property damage and injury to others.  Please if you have a wort, your best bet is to see the doctor. They have the best methods of getting rid of them.

I suffered terribly from warts when I was a teenager, never came to me to use explosives on them...

Haha yea that is a real extreme way...
Actually the 2 chemicals I refer to when combined as a mud when applied to the skin, bandaged to make the area swet, the combination part of the yeild is  a mild Nitric Acid that will eat away at the wart.
 
 

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« Reply #9 on: 06/06/2010 04:53:02 »
I think as society changes old patterns re-emerge with new excesses. The pill, pornography, irreligion, divorce, in the end, the worst of it is, "mum's boyfriend". I heard that is the statistic. And not parish priests. Also it is still sometimes dad, or an uncle, trusted people. Sometimes teachers make the news. And mums whose boyfriends make their nine year old daughters pregnant, after which the Dr says she needs an abortion, and the Catholic church excommunicates them.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 06/06/2010 05:23:56 »
... it is still sometimes dad, or an uncle, trusted people.

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most child abductions and harm are not due to strangers, but rather someone the child is familiar with or related to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_danger

IIRC that's true in 8 out of 10 cases of P-word, but I don't fancy Googling to check that statistic.
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« Reply #11 on: 06/06/2010 05:48:47 »
I was annoyed by my Australian CDP politicians when they said we should not divorce under any circumstances for our children's sake. I don't have myself. But it was too one dimensional. It is still imperative to protect them. Sydney siders responded well to a prisoner who when released said when told to move away, that he would not except in a coffin, the response was to put one on his door step. Fair enough, life is mostly about the little ones.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 06/06/2010 11:06:42 »
I don't believe that paedophilia is significantly more common today than it has been in the past.  What has increased though is the focus upon it as an issue by politicians and the media.

To the politicians it is a way to gain approval, and hence re-election, and for the media it is subject likely to result in the sale of more newspapers or gain more viewers, and thereby gain more advertising revenue.  However, the most significant aspect of the issue, which both the politicians and the print media have in common, is that they use it to vilify and demonise paedophiles when, as was pointed out earlier in this thread, paedophiles would appear to have little choice over what excites them: as such paedophilia should be treated as an mental illness/disfunction.

Unfortunately, a large proportion of the human race would rather use any difference between themselves and others as an excuse to persecute those whom they deem to be different and in this respect the majority view on paedophilia is somewhat akin to homophobia and racism.  As with homophobia and racism though, persecution, short of total xenocide, will do nothing to 'solve' the perceived 'problem'.

Fortunately, homophobia and racism is now mostly widely and rightly perceived as a problem of the people who express those attitudes rather than the groups of people they wish to persecute.  However, while this doesn't apply to paedophilia, in that the problem does lie with the paedophile, the idea that it can be stopped or treated by persecution is as flawed as the attitudes of homophobes and racists.

I think it is significant that politicians and the media treat paedophilia in a similar way to terrorism, with both groups advocating persecution as the solution.  As with TW@ (The War Against Terror) though, a war against paedophilia cannot be won.  Sadly, such perpetual wars suit politicians and the media just fine, as while the 'problem' continues to exist they can continue to use it to rally support against it.
 

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« Reply #13 on: 06/06/2010 15:38:09 »
I think everything is in proportion with the total population LeeE
You correct on both statement, correct me ALL statements

 
I don't believe that paedophilia is significantly more common today than it has been in the past.  What has increased though is the focus upon it as an issue by politicians and the media.

To the politicians it is a way to gain approval, and hence re-election, and for the media it is subject likely to result in the sale of more newspapers or gain more viewers, and thereby gain more advertising revenue.  However, the most significant aspect of the issue, which both the politicians and the print media have in common, is that they use it to vilify and demonise paedophiles when, as was pointed out earlier in this thread, paedophiles would appear to have little choice over what excites them: as such paedophilia should be treated as an mental illness/disfunction.

Unfortunately, a large proportion of the human race would rather use any difference between themselves and others as an excuse to persecute those whom they deem to be different and in this respect the majority view on paedophilia is somewhat akin to homophobia and racism.  As with homophobia and racism though, persecution, short of total xenocide, will do nothing to 'solve' the perceived 'problem'.

Fortunately, homophobia and racism is now mostly widely and rightly perceived as a problem of the people who express those attitudes rather than the groups of people they wish to persecute.  However, while this doesn't apply to paedophilia, in that the problem does lie with the paedophile, the idea that it can be stopped or treated by persecution is as flawed as the attitudes of homophobes and racists.

I think it is significant that politicians and the media treat paedophilia in a similar way to terrorism, with both groups advocating persecution as the solution.  As with TW@ (The War Against Terror) though, a war against paedophilia cannot be won.  Sadly, such perpetual wars suit politicians and the media just fine, as while the 'problem' continues to exist they can continue to use it to rally support against it.
 

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« Reply #14 on: 11/06/2010 03:59:20 »
I think as society changes old patterns re-emerge with new excesses. The pill, pornography, irreligion, divorce, in the end, the worst of it is, "mum's boyfriend". I heard that is the statistic. And not parish priests. Also it is still sometimes dad, or an uncle, trusted people. Sometimes teachers make the news. And mums whose boyfriends make their nine year old daughters pregnant, after which the Dr says she needs an abortion, and the Catholic church excommunicates them.

A child is several hundred times more likely to be abused by a step parent. This holds true for both men and women. Perhaps the stepchild is a reminder that their mate has had a lover before them? Don't know. Can't imagine hurting ANY child myself. Even really bratty annoying ones.

I've been brought up that hitting, especially women and children is very very wrong. When taking a self defense class I was sparing with a woman and she became very annoyed with me because I was only blocking her punches. She didn't understand that I COULDN'T hit her, even just pretend. Finally I threw some very feeble punches but that just made her more angry.....Guess I'm just pathetic.
 

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« Reply #15 on: 11/06/2010 04:05:53 »
I was annoyed by my Australian CDP politicians when they said we should not divorce under any circumstances for our children's sake. I don't have myself. But it was too one dimensional. It is still imperative to protect them. Sydney siders responded well to a prisoner who when released said when told to move away, that he would not except in a coffin, the response was to put one on his door step. Fair enough, life is mostly about the little ones.

This is the same government that decided their native people were not good parents so decided to take all the children and raise them in white homes....Sorry I like Australia, but that is just screwed up!

Didn't Australia also lose a President while he went for a swim in the Ocean? How do you LOSE a President?
 

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« Reply #16 on: 11/06/2010 06:02:19 »
Whilst I agree with LeeE's point that paedophilia is over-reported by the media, (horror stories sell newspapers),
I believe sociopathic behaviour in the UK has increased in the last 40 years. The statistics on sexual offences will be an unreliable measure as they can go unreported, I believe it would be more difficult to "get away with murder", if so the homicide rate would be a more accurate indicator as to whether levels of violence are increasing ...

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The number of homicides in England and Wales has more than doubled since the mid-1960s.
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99-111.pdf
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« Reply #17 on: 11/06/2010 12:07:56 »
Actually, I would expect to see a greater than linear increase of sociopathic behaviour and crimes as the population increases.  If you only have two people, A and B, then there can only be a single conflict i.e. A vs B, but if you double the number of people to four, A, B, C & D, then there's the potential for six conflicts i.e. A vs B, A vs C, A vs D, B vs C, B vs D and C vs D.
 

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« Reply #18 on: 11/06/2010 15:07:23 »
According to the BBC, UK population ...
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In 1965, the UK population of 54,349,500

58,789,194 on census day in 2001.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7060676.stm

I still say the increase in UK homicide, "more than doubled" [1965-1999], is not explicable by ~12% increase in population. 

Have a look at the statistics on animal cruelty and arson:  two of the McDonald triad, (characteristics associated with sociopathic behavior).

Even if your "A B C D" increased permutation hypothesis were true it would not explain increased pyromania and animal cruelty.

In my opinion social policies have increased the proportion of UK homes where negligence and abuse (verbal, physical, and substance) are the norm: by default there has been selective breeding for dysfunction.

BTW UK jails are full to bursting, another indicator that the proportion of UK population who are sociopathic has increased. 
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« Reply #19 on: 12/06/2010 06:02:02 »
Not all criminals are psychopathic. In fact most are not. I've noticed a huge increase in rude behavior over the last 20 years or so. People who drive far to fast in parking lots. People who stop their car in the middle of a through way to drop off/pick up passengers without any consideration of people around them. I even had a woman blatantly cut me in a cue once.

 I was in a traffic jam not to long ago. There was a car trying to merge into my lane from the center left turn lane. I slowed to let him in and the guy behind me completely lost his cool. In the mirror he flipped me off, blew his horn and beat on his steering wheel, spit flying. Guess he didn't see the cop behind him, who saw the entire thing and pulled the guy over. No one behaved like this when I was a kid.  We have experienced a world wide change in our society and it's not good. In fact it's really scary.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 15/06/2010 13:38:49 »
I agree that most criminals are not psychpathic but I think the claim was that they are sociopathic, which mostly they are. There is a change in behaviour and we do see the lack of politeness and increase in impatience and bad temper. This is particularly true in the case of road rage but then it is also true that the numbers of vehicles has increased dramatically and many urban road systems cannot cope. But there is something about the way people behave in a car that they would not do on a person to person basis. However I also had a woman queue jump me a few days ago. A heinous crime in the UK :-)

The issue with increasing population and crime is more to do with how the population is concentrated but I suspect there is a larger correlation with disparity between the richest and poorest in a society - at least for certain types of crime. If specifically looking at homicide then I would say there are a lot of factors that affect it and it depends on the country. The US has a huge homicide rate (per capita) compared with the UK but it not wholly clear why this should be. It is arguably the ease of getting a gun, although many disagree. Canada has high gun ownership but low homicide rate for example.

I think we should also be wary of making judgements on societal changes. In ancient Rome there were a number of writers at the time who said things like - "It was not like this in our day" and who predicted the end of the civilised society. Well maybe they were seeing change but only seeing a partial picture. These writers were saying this well before the end of the Roman Empire BTW. Maybe they did see poor behaviour but then I doubt that many of us would approve generally of what was considered acceptable behaviour at that time.

If look at social behaviour (in western societies) today it has deteriated in some areas but improved in others. If we look back just 50 years, I think there is less racialism now, for example. Domestic violence has decreased; much was largely unreported 50 years ago and some still is. In the UK, so called "football hooliganism" (a speciality of the UK) reached a peak in the 1980s but has decreased considerably since then. There are fewer "no-go" areas in Europe than there was in the 60's and 70's though I think this is still a problem in some cities in the US. Maybe the bad aspects of a society are the payment we have to make for some of the parts we want to keep: Entrepeneurism vs greed/dishonesty, Kindness/understanding vs over-leniancy/lack of deterrence, Freedom of choice for individuals vs unacceptable  behaviour to others. The list can be quite long.
 
 

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