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« on: 20/06/2010 00:43:49 »
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Hello. ... New to the site.

Had been bumpin' around, looking for "Physics" focused forums, with an attached meteorological element, and found this one.


Here's my theory, ... fully opened to examination, and even contest by degrees.
(Please pardon my more creative elements of punctation used in describing it.)


I've been looking into and investigating the "notion" that main "tractive" force *, might have a great deal to do with main and broader cold air mass both movement together with distribution over the earth's surface.


* newbielink:http://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/restles3.html [nonactive]
 (section no. 4. — Of note: There's a minor error, in the text - fairly confusing: "opposes" - within this section's initial paragraph, should be "opposed".)

— This, with it's (main cold air's.) being the most "dense" air mass, .. "available." / ... generally.

— And, with also, considering and accounting for the main mechanism/s which work/s to generate it. — i.e. essentially discounting the idea that warmer and more "dense" air mass might also perhaps be moved around similarly, with having appreciated it to be much more stationary, both generally, and comparatively, where exposed to this force. / — i.e. more apt to light down in specific greater regions — due to the main way/s in which "it's" generated/ consolidated. (Or put more simply, .. [my having considered it.] as the main "exhaust" product of greater convection, while otherwise main radiational, both cooling, and warming, lie more at front of all main processes taking place within the troposphere.) .. And with warmer air density where consolidated, either whether being, or remaining, more stationary, due also, to it's more CCW circulation, .. and with further, related to this idea, its main "center" of mass - most dense, being more guarded, while progressively, less pressure dense air is - instead/ otherwise, "tapped" away from its outer boundaries, where amassed.


All comments both welcomed and appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: 31/10/2010 09:10:59 »
.. "Naked". —  I get it.


Not much here., eay fellas. ?  / Ladies. ?

Hey, .... this is "gravity". (!)

Nothing. ?


"Cold air mass", .... "In the atmosphere.", ... "Main 'weather-producing', or 'Troposphere'."

Does ?, .. Is .. "tractive force", able to, .... "move" it. ?

Yes. / No.  .... just, how about. ?
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« Reply #2 on: 31/10/2010 14:46:45 »
What "tractive force" are you on about?
 

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« Reply #3 on: 31/10/2010 15:40:51 »
... "on" ?


I have in fact pointed to the idea above, within my initial post.

(See the link included.)

"over".

... "section no. 4.", .. of the main site-page that you'll be routed to. (?)
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« Reply #4 on: 31/10/2010 19:33:30 »
Are you asking if air (particularly cold dense air) is affected by the moon in that same way as the moon causes tides in the oceans?
 

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« Reply #5 on: 31/10/2010 21:26:25 »
Yes. Generally speaking, that's idea that I'm pointing to.

I assert that it is in fact.

If, more specifically, a combination of both its main gravitational output, looked at and where focused more specifically along together with the sun's more basic hold on the earth.

Of note, I am "not" considering the phenomenon, so called, of "atmospheric tides".

And, additionally, where considering this more specifically focused force of attraction, i.e. constantly shifting with respect to the earth's main and turning surface, both the idea of all cold air mass within the troposphere - or main and lower weather-producing atmosphere (i.e. looked at as a whole.), together with more finitely, each more specific larger mass of main cold air where looked at - right round the planet (?), more individually.
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« Reply #6 on: 02/11/2010 08:05:38 »
Again, ....

"Gravity.", .. "Physics.", .. "cold air mass".  (?)

.... Nothin' ?
 

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« Reply #7 on: 02/11/2010 08:17:17 »
Again, ....

"Transcendental algebra." .. "quantum bifurcation" .. "intergalactic wedgies". (?)

..... crickets.
 

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« Reply #8 on: 02/11/2010 08:22:41 »
"quack".


Poetry corner. ?

Or Physics discussion board. ?
 

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« Reply #9 on: 02/11/2010 10:55:06 »
richard583 - since this is your new theory I'm afraid that you are likely to need to do most of the leg work.  Don't be too surprised if no-one has returned within a day or so to discuss its ramifications.

It may be that you need to clarify your description somewhat and ask one probing question at a time to 'win people over'.  Having a new theory on here is a bit like selling a product - you've got to get people hooked!

Cheers! And good luck :)
 

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« Reply #10 on: 02/11/2010 11:05:09 »
hey. ..

Yeah "peppercorn".

Certainly generally appreciable.

My basic thought and appreciation, is that there are just not that many people tuned-in here, knowing much about .... Meteorology, the main weather-producing atmosphere, etc. .

Essentially, with my more recent "round" of posts to this topic, .. I'd mostly just been working to run the idea by anyone whom might be.

As is apparently, or at least perhaps .. more the idea behind this broader sub-forum, .... "float" the idea and assertion, .... if not "theory", more.

Appreciate your response, and ...
Cheers, .... from "here" as ..... well.
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« Reply #11 on: 02/11/2010 11:25:36 »
My comprehension of Meteorological elements is probably around the senior school level, so I am not likely to be able to expand much on your thoughts, however there are a number of more expert members on the forum and if you can get there interest peaked then I'm certain they can help move things along....

Answering BC's queston:
What "tractive force" are you on about?
might be a good place to start... ?
 

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« Reply #12 on: 02/11/2010 11:29:39 »
.. check.

And, appreciate your time.

 

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