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« on: 06/07/2010 13:38:35 »
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« Reply #1 on: 06/07/2010 19:10:56 »
No.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 07/07/2010 05:14:56 »
Some metallic alloys are described as having "memory", although this does not seem to have any meaning in the human sense of memory.

The water on our planet has probably been here for most of the existence of our planet, and, as we are mainly made of that water, it some sense you could say that water does have some memory.

However, as far as we know, water alone has no memory. 
 

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« Reply #3 on: 07/07/2010 10:12:15 »
does the water have any memory ?

what kind of memory are ewe referring to ?......does it have RAM ? short term ? long term ?...access memory ?
 

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« Reply #4 on: 07/07/2010 16:16:30 »
No, it doesn't have memory. The water molecules slide around each other far too fast.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 07/07/2010 22:12:29 »
Mind you, it's quite clever the way it can construct all those different snow crystals.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 14/07/2010 13:27:58 »
I mean by memory , Cristal form of water which can have some changes  according to external  conditions like  sound waves and even attraction law "theorems", I know it seem crazy but  experiments on that have already been made and the result is that the Cristal form of water does change with the kind of sound waves and even the light that where exposed to a bottle  of water  .
and what about this , do you know that there is one only place as far as the some scientists  know, where  the water has a unique pure virgin state which makes the people living in that place very kind  and having a special good life and they wont to change that place ever, that is I think just the observations of the scientists who know that but the reality about water has not been fully discovered since there is lot of work to do to understand everything about ' Water '

now let me know about your opinions  ::)


         
 

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« Reply #7 on: 14/07/2010 16:41:47 »
I know it seem crazy but  experiments on that have already been made and the result is that the Cristal form of water does change with the kind of sound waves and even the light that where exposed to a bottle  of water  .
It's not hard at all to imagine that hitting ice with sound waves or powerful light would change it.  If I put a powerful light bulb right next to ice, it will certainly melt.  But there's nothing odd about that--if I put that same bulb right next to you, you would feel heat from it as well--that doesn't mean you're absorbing some mystical energy from the light bulb.  And there's certainly no memory stored in the water of emotions, which is the usual claim.

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and what about this , do you know that there is one only place as far as the some scientists  know, where  the water has a unique pure virgin state which makes the people living in that place very kind  and having a special good life and they wont to change that place ever, that is I think just the observations of the scientists who know that but the reality about water has not been fully discovered since there is lot of work to do to understand everything about ' Water '

Do you have a source for this?  There's nothing in what science knows about water that would support this.
 

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« Reply #8 on: 14/07/2010 16:54:44 »
{{citation needed}}
 

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« Reply #9 on: 14/07/2010 17:06:17 »
The only crystalline form of water is called 'ice'.

What is 'cristal' water supposed to be?
 

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« Reply #10 on: 14/07/2010 17:10:47 »
Mind you, it's quite clever the way it can construct all those different snow crystals.

Yes that is something as you pointed out. There has been no recording of any 2 snowflakes that are exactly physically alike in shape. May be proof of bad memory, since that one droplet forgot what the other one looked like.

Passengers this is the Polar express the next stop is "Utopia!"
This is where you will find the finest of all survival supplies.
Waters from anchent christal, cristal, crystal form and ultra pure, fine filtered water.
Remember the name "Utopia"
Sounds good to me but it may get boring, I know I did not earn the spot, but I also could not resist.

 
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« Reply #11 on: 14/07/2010 17:43:50 »
The only crystalline form of water is called 'ice'.

What is 'cristal' water supposed to be?

I had to search and there it is, but I do not know if it would relate. But I have seen many different spelling of things and to my surprise I have a very limited mental dictionary that limits my communications. I got to get out more.

cristaux d'eau jaune looks like French spelling to me Crystal of Yellow Water...
Do Not Eat That Yellow Snow!!!! Parlai vous
vous faire comprend? vous faire parle du français? neather do I but this is a start.
           
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cristal_water_yellow.JPG

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« Reply #12 on: 14/07/2010 17:53:59 »
[rant]

Water having a memory is sometimes propounded by the charlatans of homeopathy.  This has never been shown under lab conditions - although huge anecdotal evidence is claimed.  

my personal opinion (fairly worthless) is that it is hogwash and balderdash of the worst sort - but suspending disbelief for a moment; if someone could demonstrate in repeatable controlled conditions that water had a memory of pathogens that have been diluted beyond all recognition and a therapeutic effect (the basis of homeopathy) then i reckon a double nobel prize for medicine and physics would be in the offing.  thus there is great academic and financial encouragement to prove this - and yet no proof is forthcoming, and few of the proponents will even try peer-reviewed science.  

I think the lack of engagement with traditional methods is due to the fact that this is unverifiable nonsense which nevertheless allows many people to make huge sums in peddling homoepathic 'cures'

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« Reply #13 on: 14/07/2010 18:12:32 »
It's not hogwash. It's eyewash  ;D
 

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« Reply #14 on: 14/07/2010 18:33:20 »
Some metallic alloys are described as having "memory", although this does not seem to have any meaning in the human sense of memory.

The water on our planet has probably been here for most of the existence of our planet, and, as we are mainly made of that water, it some sense you could say that water does have some memory.

However, as far as we know, water alone has no memory. 

Yep A Nobel Prize for all/every discipline. There would be a new label that would supersede Nobel if someone discovered a way to make water have a memory. Like in the movie "The Abyss".
If water could be controlled like this, there would be endless uses and applications. You could drive to Europe in a short amount of time at anytime. Ocean Oil Spills can be more easily contained.
But To bad we are not that advanced yet.
 
 

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« Reply #15 on: 14/07/2010 18:57:52 »
Or some of us are advanced enough to know what's impossible.
 

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« Reply #16 on: 15/07/2010 00:22:59 »
Or some of us are advanced enough to know what's impossible.

Famous last words before controlled supersonic flight or reaching the moon.
We have no idea of Human limitation. So far anything man had imagined, from time to time engineering has created.
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« Reply #17 on: 15/07/2010 02:22:33 »
It's bad science to assume that just because something hasn't been dis-proven that it's possible and should be pursued.  Water memory can't really be disproved--if experiments don't show it, supporters of water memory will say that those experiments are flawed.

Good science works by making educated guesses about what is possible in light of current evidence and pursuing those leads.  Even the really revolutionary theories such as relativity are based on evidence from previous theories.  Space travel and supersonic flight weren't fundamental science problems--things can move fast or through space, but they were tough engineering problems.  However, water having memory has no scientific backing, scientists don't waste time trying to prove it.
 

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« Reply #18 on: 15/07/2010 02:56:57 »
It's bad science to assume that just because something hasn't been dis-proven that it's possible and should be pursued.  Water memory can't really be disproved--if experiments don't show it, supporters of water memory will say that those experiments are flawed.

Good science works by making educated guesses about what is possible in light of current evidence and pursuing those leads.  Even the really revolutionary theories such as relativity are based on evidence from previous theories.  Space travel and supersonic flight weren't fundamental science problems--things can move fast or through space, but they were tough engineering problems.  However, water having memory has no scientific backing, scientists don't waste time trying to prove it.

Yep I see the reality part, sorry BC! It has no substantial evidence and very difficult to imagine it will.
 
 

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« Reply #19 on: 15/07/2010 13:18:35 »
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Water having a memory is sometimes propounded by the charlatans of homeopathy.  This has never been shown under lab conditions


sorry that is not true , even  you know it or not works have already been done
 

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« Reply #20 on: 15/07/2010 13:22:39 »
hey guys I want you to have a look at this http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/water-great-mystery/
 

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« Reply #21 on: 15/07/2010 14:33:36 »
tell you what - have a look at this as well http://whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html

just cos Rustum Roy is a material scientist of real repute doesn't mean he isn't a total fruitcake when it comes to homeopathy/water memory.  science doesn't work on reputation (or it shouldn't) it relies on reproducibility - NO experiments on water memory have ever been found to be reproducible.  google 'beneveniste nature' to read about a famous controversy.

it is not that I don't want to believe in homeopathy (it would be cool and break the power of the big pharmaceutical corps who I am not a great fan of) or that my mind is closed (it's so open you can see straight-through from ear to ear) - it is that NO evidence has ever been given that could survive repetition in controlled and double-blind experimentation.   

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« Reply #22 on: 15/07/2010 16:04:35 »
tell you what - have a look at this as well http://whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html

just cos Rustum Roy is a material scientist of real repute doesn't mean he isn't a total fruitcake when it comes to homeopathy/water memory.  science doesn't work on reputation (or it shouldn't) it relies on reproducibility - NO experiments on water memory have ever been found to be reproducible.  google 'beneveniste nature' to read about a famous controversy.

it is not that I don't want to believe in homeopathy (it would be cool and break the power of the big pharmaceutical corps who I am not a great fan of) or that my mind is closed (it's so open you can see straight-through from ear to ear) - it is that NO evidence has ever been given that could survive repetition in controlled and double-blind experimentation.  

matthew

Well, (no pune intended), the subject did stir up a crowd, it got many hits in a short period of time. There has to be something that most have in the back of their minds.
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« Reply #23 on: 15/07/2010 16:23:39 »
It's bad science to assume that just because something hasn't been dis-proven that it's possible and should be pursued.  Water memory can't really be disproved--if experiments don't show it, supporters of water memory will say that those experiments are flawed.

Good science works by making educated guesses about what is possible in light of current evidence and pursuing those leads.  Even the really revolutionary theories such as relativity are based on evidence from previous theories.  Space travel and supersonic flight weren't fundamental science problems--things can move fast or through space, but they were tough engineering problems.  However, water having memory has no scientific backing, scientists don't waste time trying to prove it.

I know, I know, I am not disputing your claims, just adding to the comment, maybe but I am not definite that this can be related to bad science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion
 

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« Reply #24 on: 15/07/2010 18:05:28 »
[rant]

Water having a memory is sometimes propounded by the charlatans of homeopathy.  This has never been shown under lab conditions

sorry that is not true , even  you know it or not works have already been done

[Re-jigged quotes] Which bit is not true?  Water memory is definitely linked to homeopathy.  If the second sentence is untrue I would love to see a link to proper peer-reviewed journal confirming repeatable experiment.

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